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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

This car was supposed to teach me to wrench and turbo miata's are definitely a thing with tons of write ups soooooo...

Soooooo. . . What you are saying is, " this thing is surprisingly slow" and now i actually do need to learn how to make it faster. Lord Vader, can you help me??foo.gif hehe. Got recepies for a miata. . stirpot.gif


@Sir reveller.

That Camaro is nice. And if any Camaro could hold some value, that one could. But in the spirit of this threads vehicular opulence. I throw these browsings in your direction.

http://m.autotrader.ca/a/5_28795077?topadposition=undocked&ursrc=ta&upsp=11&upsc=1&prx=-1
Ha, this is actually a good deal. In a "buy a fun toy, and keep my moneez for other stuff" kind of way.
http://m.autotrader.ca/a/19_9468673?prx=-1&orup=45_10_127
Am i wrong in saying this is drool.gif
http://m.autotrader.ca/a/5_28794997?ursrc=mb_mhl&upsp=3&upsc=9&prx=-1&orup=3_10_254&ts=1471757373989
Hmm. . Dig it.
http://m.autotrader.ca/a/5_28621050/gallery?mnclk=1&ursrc=mb_mhl&upsp=7&upsc=10&orup=37_10_254
post #24422 of 26335

I'd take the Camero over any of those posted, except maybe the Porsche, but the Porsche is 5 years older and will certainly have higher repair and maintenance bills.


I agree with RTC, the Sky is supposed to be a really good bang for the buck.  If you're looking at the Camero, you should definitely look at the Mustang too.

post #24423 of 26335
Yeah, that Camaro is pretty much showroom fresh. Defo a keeper. That orange porsche would be a sweet sunny day cruiser. If you could package it with at least a 2 year dealer warranty. Just something cool and different. The Aston was tongue in cheek.

But that 10k 996 carrera? Only 50k kilometers on the clock, and a 6spd? Was being selfish, that would be perfect for a guy like me to get a Porsche in the stable. Maintain it and only drive on occasions.like to weddings, company parties and stuff. rolleyes.gif

There was a 2016 Nissan 370Z Nismo convertible in the 40k range. But is it just me, or do they only look good as a Coupe?
post #24424 of 26335

As for Vader's suggestions...surprisingly, even as a Porsche fan, I'd probably opt for the Camaro over a 996.  There just isn't anything I like about them.  That was born during a tough time for Porsche, and I really don't like their Boxster-ish front, Boxster interior, sometimes sticky switches, or the engines (although you can go through LN engineering and get the IMS issue resolved).  993s would cost far more and be less of an everyday driver type of car, so if going a more modern more affordable 911 route I'd look at 997s.  

 

The XK8, I like the looks but it seems more like a cruising car than a sports car.  Its generally a car that seems to appeal to older guys or women, at least in my area.  

 

The Mustang just doesn't do much for me.

 

As for the Orange Boxster, I'm not a fan of the added on black decal/stripe.  If I were going for a pre-owned Boxster of that vintage, I'd seek out an limited edition Boxster RS60.  It will give the larger S engine (with 303 hp), a 6th gear, sport seats, a full leather interior, a sport exhaust, 19" alloys, modified front spoiler, and a bunch of other goodies.     

 

I  thought SirReveller was asking more about general thoughts, rather than actually considering a purchase.  If considering the Camaro for purchase, test drive one to be sure its the car you want.  I haven't driven one, but weight aside, I think I like it more than some of the other suggestions that were posted.  Cheers!

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Thanks for the comments, Dino, gentlemen.

As some background: I'm heisting my sisters '07 A4 AWD 3.2L vert soon as she's living/working in NYC for awhile now and the thing is just sitting in our parents driveway rotting, lol. The inability to turn down a free car was why I backed off that r129 sl600 I poasted about testing/offering on awhile ago. (I'm also still semi proud I pushed her off a 2.0 into a 3.2 years ago - obv being a girl she couldn't care less haha - so it at least has some get up and go) So I'll snag this as the e46 m3 replacement ie daddy's car replacement, and return the fam Tahoe to the wife.

It's a nice car but not really my style. I would have gone even older and secured an S4. Coming off an M3 the A4 just feels slow. It's so similar in all other ways that this impression is permanent, if you get my Tokyo drift tongue.gif I'm also a vain and superficial man so a fast convertible that is more original is more my speed. Hence the 600, that nonvert esprit, hell I was corresponding with some autotrader dude who had a '70 442 vert in Montreal lol

So by next April, right before another fine Canadian summer convertible season, I'd ideally have sold the A4 for my sis and be on the lookout for a proper daddy's car of daddy's choosing.

As for this camaro zl1, Dino you're spot on that on windy roads the muscle hp/torque wouldn't matter much and it'd be bested by cars w 150+ less hp but 1000+ lbs less flab lol

Unfortunately with kids there'd be no clubbing on such roads or even wknd tracking..not for a few year anyway til these lil goobers can kaka solo happy.gif So the analysis is something fun for daddy to citydrive to and from work in with the sun on his head and ideally some capability for a booster seat for preschool dropoffs and enough room for golfclubs in the trunk. That sl600 had a jumpseat area..the new vette is amazing but I'll probably be browbeaten into something with a backseat. No deals on the new ones anyway for another couple years anyway. The wife has also said multiple times "auto so I can drive it in an emergency" but I may ignore this dubious stipulation lol h/e given all citydriving an auto camaro with the ability to be the obnoxious goon I am on the occasional off-the-line redlights might be just what the doctor ordered. I sat w my buddy in his stick C6 Z06 and drove around the city once and the rowing he was doing looked like it'd be not so fun if you were doing it 55mins a day M-F.

Oh and I'd never knock Porsches but downtown they're pretty common. Kind of like every yuppie came to the same conclusion as to best sports car. The specific model aligning with the degree of success they're trying to broadcast haha. (Wife usually drives a range or x5 lol.) I'm being a little cynical of course and much like being obstinate and maligning a massive hit new album everyone else loves, this doesn't make them wrong..id just prefer something you don't see on every second block. Same goes for Audi. In fact any kind of Bimmer these days has now become somewhat original lol.

As for the ZL1, one thing it has going for it is the next gen is little changed. This is always a good thing. You don't want a gen where common wisdom is that the next gen "looks sooooo much better" lol One buddy of mine has an '01 Ram and damn if it isn't still mistakeable as a new one from a dozen yards+ away. Repair bill too vs any import is another plus. 8.5 yrs of M parts..eugh. But you do lose some halo effect of die germanz. Tradeoffs to balance, as with all choices in life.

'course at the end of the day get what you enjoy!

Anyway tl;dr = this is all digital browsing for now but appreciate the comments/suggestions all! cheers.gif

*oh and Vader: I looked at that old Memento jag 9 years ago. Rwd. Has a ford 290hp engine as I recall. I also recall a reliability rating of 4/10 lol
post #24427 of 26335
Hehe, they are a ford turd. No secrets there lol8[1].gif
But i'd still cruise to work in one.as a daily. Totally agree on the eurotrash being a yuppie/golf club thing.
A muscle convertible with a brash v8. And a auto would be a commuter that gets you the "stare" from other drivers in traffic.no matter what they drive. smile.gif


Pfffft. So much hate on the 996's. A low miles one in good shape at the current rock bottom prices is a damned good kop. Especially as a 2nd/3rd car. Even if just to wait for the price to go up. And it will.
Edited by Thrift Vader - 8/21/16 at 8:25am
post #24428 of 26335
Any car that can be fixed with tools in a toolbox that fits behind the passenger seat in the foot area is a good daily. A muscle car does this.
post #24429 of 26335

I would have loved one of the 90's 325c(?) bimmers. I think 93 was a good year. They look like really fun cars in convertible trim with a 6 cylinder. I think they're just more intimidating to work on. As a student, a car that could seat 4 would probably come in handy, but honestly as a replacement for the bike 2 seats seemed just dandy heh.


@Thrift Vader, getting the power up on the miata in NA trim is extremely expensive. FULL exhaust is about a grand and adds about 10-15 hp, CAI, pulley etc help too, but you're looking at spending about 2k to get about 15-20 hp. 

Go up to like 3k and you add a TON more power with an SC or turbo setup. Boosting these cars is far cheaper. A stage 1 clutch and lighter flywheel with a turbo car helps too, as will a better differential. Brakes won't be super necessary if it's not being tracked, but better pads/rotors are a must. Brakes can probably be had pretty cheap if buying used.


It's a lot think about, but I'd rather just learn to drive it for now. I honestly might just not fuck with it at all. I'll probably do the flywheel if I need to do the clutch. 

 

I just don't think there's anything as much fun or fast for the money as a turbo miata. To be honest, I don't need the HP boost, I just want a bit more torque. The new ND miata is pretty quick to 60 and it's only ~155 crank hp. Like I said, I'll likely think about this stuff more when winter hits and the car's put up on stands to do all that stuff. Might show it to my miata friend and see what he thinks. He has that crazy z28, but I honestly think he'll tell me not to fuck with it hahahahah.

 

Then again, the stock numbers for the 2000 miata are about 100-115 wheel hp. So adding even 20 to that is pretty substantial imho. Here's a bit about what can be done to increase NA power: https://www.reddit.com/r/Miata/comments/3da7rn/naturally_aspirated_horsepower_what_are_my_options/

 

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Start with a '99 for top end or VVT for all around best results.

ECU - I prefer MSLabs MS3. It's the business and is no fuss. Install, VEAL tune and you're done.

Header - RB is your best $/hp option here.

Intake Manifold - EUDM squaretop for top end, '99 VICS for midrange.

Intake - make something custom that isn't hot-side.

Camshaft - BP5A intake from the MSM

That's 140-150whp. Outside of this you have to go into the engine.

 

I've seen builds that take an NA to about 170hp and tear into the engine. Those all cost like 10k. No thanks lol. 

 

Any recs for where to start reading? I have read that an ECU can give quite a few gains as well. 

 

http://www.solomiata.com/CheapHP.html

 

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Basically a header is a good starting point since the 99-00 factory cast exhaust header is less than desirable. While an aftermarket header on a M1 is only good for a couple of HP on the top end, the 99-00 M2 motors came with a heavy and restrictive cast iron exhaust manifold and replacing it does wonders. Upgrading to an aftermarket header on the 99-00 M2 motor is one of the most cost effective mods you can make. With just a header and cat back exhasut system it is not uncommon for a 99-00 to dyno 120-125 rwhp, which is significant over the typical stock numbers of 109-114.

A good cat back exhaust system works the same wonders on a M2 as it does on the M1.

Unlike the M1 which has a restrictive air intake system the M2 is actually quite good. Most people report minimal gains for an air intake system on a M2

Just like the M1, setting the ignition timing a few degrees advanced still works wonders. The issue is that the procedure requires drilling and dremeling to make the crank sensor adjustable which can be intimidating to some.

If I owned a 99-00 I would get a header, cat-back exhaust and a stronger intake cam of about 256 and then call it a day. Good for about 140 rwhp.

The 99-00 already has a better intake manifold, better intake plumbing with a less restrictive MAF, solid lifters, higher CR pistons, strong EX cam and better ECU tuning (w/ knock sensor) that we M1 people had to replace for lots of $$ to get to that same level. The M2 people already have a strong foundation so the 140 rwhp level can be obtained for less incremental money.

 

Some people are reporting pretty big gains with a better ECU:

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showpost.php?p=6470445&postcount=17


Edited by ridethecliche - 8/21/16 at 1:59pm
post #24430 of 26335

@SirReveller , check out that saturn. It's pretty much perfect on paper and I'm really curious to see what people on here think if they've driven it.

 

260 hp turbo version, rwd, almost 50-50 weight dist (about 52-48 afaik), and it's about 3200 lbs.

post #24431 of 26335
Yeah that'd be quite the fun summer toy. Serious $-to-performance, agreed.

http://www.autotrader.ca/result/AdDetailInfo.aspx?srcID=19&frnID=9412505

I'm more needing the backseats tho. Toddlers. Summer aft ice cream. All that.
Nice suggesch tho. Reminds me of the Crossfire.
post #24432 of 26335
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Originally Posted by SirReveller View Post

Thanks for the comments, Dino, gentlemen.

As some background: I'm heisting my sisters '07 A4 AWD 3.2L vert soon as she's living/working in NYC for awhile now and the thing is just sitting in our parents driveway rotting, lol. The inability to turn down a free car was why I backed off that r129 sl600 I poasted about testing/offering on awhile ago. (I'm also still semi proud I pushed her off a 2.0 into a 3.2 years ago - obv being a girl she couldn't care less haha - so it at least has some get up and go) So I'll snag this as the e46 m3 replacement ie daddy's car replacement, and return the fam Tahoe to the wife.

It's a nice car but not really my style. I would have gone even older and secured an S4. Coming off an M3 the A4 just feels slow. It's so similar in all other ways that this impression is permanent, if you get my Tokyo drift tongue.gif I'm also a vain and superficial man so a fast convertible that is more original is more my speed. Hence the 600, that nonvert esprit, hell I was corresponding with some autotrader dude who had a '70 442 vert in Montreal lol

So by next April, right before another fine Canadian summer convertible season, I'd ideally have sold the A4 for my sis and be on the lookout for a proper daddy's car of daddy's choosing.

As for this camaro zl1, Dino you're spot on that on windy roads the muscle hp/torque wouldn't matter much and it'd be bested by cars w 150+ less hp but 1000+ lbs less flab lol

Unfortunately with kids there'd be no clubbing on such roads or even wknd tracking..not for a few year anyway til these lil goobers can kaka solo happy.gif So the analysis is something fun for daddy to citydrive to and from work in with the sun on his head and ideally some capability for a booster seat for preschool dropoffs and enough room for golfclubs in the trunk....

Oh and I'd never knock Porsches but downtown they're pretty common. Kind of like every yuppie came to the same conclusion as to best sports car. The specific model aligning with the degree of success they're trying to broadcast haha. (Wife usually drives a range or x5 lol.) I'm being a little cynical of course and much like being obstinate and maligning a massive hit new album everyone else loves, this doesn't make them wrong..id just prefer something you don't see on every second block. Same goes for Audi. In fact any kind of Bimmer these days has now become somewhat original lol.


Anyway tl;dr = this is all digital browsing for now but appreciate the comments/suggestions all! cheers.gif
 

Very interesting position to be in, and kudos on getting your sister to get the 3.2 L A4.  Yes, going M3 to A4, its going to feel slow.  One is a performance sedan, the other was more of a luxury car with a large engine, but its not really a true performance machine.  Still you guys may actually have dodged a bullet not having an S4.  A friend of mine had I think three S4's from that period, had lots of serious engine problems (one became a know issue with that model), and he kept trading out of S4 s and finally eventually got an S4.  Since he kept jumping Audi to Audi and bitched about them regularly, I told him he might be Audi's best, least satisfied customer of all time!  ;)

 

As a used car, the Camaro could be a great deal.  Like I mentioned, my friend who was in the industry almost had to give it away.  His was really nice, in like new condition, and so whoever bought it got a smokin hot deal !!!  When I told him I was surprised it was so hard for him to find a buyer, his response was at that price, with those options, and that size engine, its really a niche car that appeals to a small group of buyers.  Once you hit a certain price range it requires a dedicated fan to buy one because people start looking at premium brand, with better service centers than Chevy dealers.  Still, with the right roads, a back seat for the kids, plenty of power and a manual to entertain you...it could be the perfect car for you.  If I were told I had a $50K price limit for a company car and it had to be American, I'd give one some very serious thought!  I've never been a Corvette guy, and I'm not much into Caddys, although they are moving more in a direction that I like at least with appearance.  Also, in terms of safety, I think something with back seats is better for your little ones than an old SL with that parcel shelf that you can put a little jump seat on.

 

I would just say regarding your thoughts on Porsches and the comment,"Kind of like every yuppie came to the same conclusion as to best sports car. The specific model aligning with the degree of success they're trying to broadcast haha."  It may ring true for some.  However, I think there is more to it than that.  Porsche has done really well in recent years in terms of quality, reliability, and JD Powers reports.  There is something comforting in buying something that has a good reputation for being a car you can just jump in, drive and enjoy without worrying it will leave you stranded or have lots of problems especially at that price point (I know Maser owners who have had problems with last gen QPs and GTs).  In addition, Porsche has a reasonable number of dealers and independent repair shops (maybe not as many as BMW and MB, but still a lot in most areas).  Check in your area and see how many Lotus, Maserati, or Aston dealers and independents there are in your area.  There is 1 Aston/Lotus dealer near us and no indies.  They also don't give loaners.  1 acquaintance has an Evora.  He drives the hell out of it, loves it, and he has I think almost 50,000 miles on it.  It has been side lined numerous times (so thank goodness he has an aftermarket warranty), but if his wife can't bring him and drop him off, his getting home is like a 5 hour adventure involving 2 or 3 trains, buses, and walking...because they don't have loaners. He only lives about and hour's drive from the dealer, but that is a real pain!  In addition, I have a friend who has owned several BMWs, and he also has a 991 Turbo S.  He said, sure Lotus, Aston and Maser are more exotic and are beautiful, but they aren't built with the same engineering or quality, and he really enjoys the social aspect of being in the BMWCCA and PCA and meeting other local owners with similar interests.  With little kids you might not have the time, but Mrs. Dino and I have lots of car friends, most own Porsches (a few own Astons, Lotus, or other cars).  However, there are very few activities for their brands/clubs and there are very few owners in the area to meet or do things with.  Not to mention, the Porsche/BMW guys seem to be more down to earth and less snobby than some of the exotic owners.  I only have 1 really close friend with another Ferrari.  Most other Fcar owners are acquaintances at best, and some are ok, but sometimes its a bit too snooty and its not as much fun at some Fcar events.  So while I agree Porsches today seem to be everywhere, there are often other reasons besides status and performance for owning one rather than a rarer less commonly seen car, such as a Lotus, Aston, Maser etc.  

 

Wishing you luck with whatever will make a for a fun Dad mobile!  :cheers:

 

 

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Pfffft. So much hate on the 996's. A low miles one in good shape at the current rock bottom prices is a damned good kop. Especially as a 2nd/3rd car. Even if just to wait for the price to go up. And it will.

The only real bargain in the 996 family is the Turbo (which uses a Mezger engine). If you can get past that it still looks like a 996, its a great performer with a basically bullet proof engine.  Short of that, you couldn't give me a 996 even as a 9th car, engine issues such as IMS (although that issue can be corrected for a few grand with the LN Engineering kit), leaking rear main seals, sticky interior switches, an interior lifted from a similar year Boxster rather than a classic 911 interior, Boxster front and a lumpy back deck...there just isn't much I can find to love about it.  .  For what they cost, I'd much rather have a 944 Turbo S, 944S2, or 968.  They handle well, are well made, offer very good performance and people are starting to rediscover what great cars they are.  


Edited by Dino944 - 8/21/16 at 2:33pm
post #24433 of 26335
Nyah, @rtc good luck on boosting the Miata properly for less than building it N/A. crackup[1].gif

@Dino. You couldn't pay me to own 99% of eurotrash. But if i had to have one? 10k would be the max i'd spend on one. In short. They all suck. But i'm not afraid to wrench on any of them. So i could deal with a 996. After all, my daily is faster. And more reliable. smile.gif it would just be a sometimes car.
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post

Nyah, @rtc good luck on boosting the Miata properly for less than building it N/A. crackup[1].gif

 

Haha, like I said, I'm just going off what I read. I think what you suggested is probably good for up to 140-150 rwhp. Which is solid for a car that light.


But everything I've seen here says that boosting is the way to go for these cars if power is the goal. Kits like these are 5k and the numbers are probably close to impossible to get in NA without going mental. http://trackdogracing.com/rotrex.aspx

 

But realistically, chances are that I'm not up to throw in 5k more into this car and even the cheaper flying miata setups cost about 3-4k for a full kit. And that's without installation. It's cheaper to price out and piece together a kit yourself so that can probably be done for 2-3k based on what I've read. 


Edited by ridethecliche - 8/21/16 at 6:01pm
post #24435 of 26335
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post

@Dino. You couldn't pay me to own 99% of eurotrash. ... In short. They all suck.

The 996 lacks the quality and reliability that 911s have been known for, and for those reasons I have little interest in them.  As for your slamming European cars, there are plenty of great ones, but as long as your happy with what you have that's all that matters.  

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