Originally Posted by SirReveller
Thanks for the comments, Dino, gentlemen.
As some background: I'm heisting my sisters '07 A4 AWD 3.2L vert soon as she's living/working in NYC for awhile now and the thing is just sitting in our parents driveway rotting, lol. The inability to turn down a free car was why I backed off that r129 sl600 I poasted about testing/offering on awhile ago. (I'm also still semi proud I pushed her off a 2.0 into a 3.2 years ago - obv being a girl she couldn't care less haha - so it at least has some get up and go) So I'll snag this as the e46 m3 replacement ie daddy's car replacement, and return the fam Tahoe to the wife.
It's a nice car but not really my style. I would have gone even older and secured an S4. Coming off an M3 the A4 just feels slow. It's so similar in all other ways that this impression is permanent, if you get my Tokyo drift
I'm also a vain and superficial man so a fast convertible that is more original is more my speed. Hence the 600, that nonvert esprit, hell I was corresponding with some autotrader dude who had a '70 442 vert in Montreal lol
So by next April, right before another fine Canadian summer convertible season, I'd ideally have sold the A4 for my sis and be on the lookout for a proper daddy's car of daddy's choosing.
As for this camaro zl1, Dino you're spot on that on windy roads the muscle hp/torque wouldn't matter much and it'd be bested by cars w 150+ less hp but 1000+ lbs less flab lol
Unfortunately with kids there'd be no clubbing on such roads or even wknd tracking..not for a few year anyway til these lil goobers can kaka solo
So the analysis is something fun for daddy to citydrive to and from work in with the sun on his head and ideally some capability for a booster seat for preschool dropoffs and enough room for golfclubs in the trunk....
Oh and I'd never knock Porsches but downtown they're pretty common. Kind of like every yuppie came to the same conclusion as to best sports car. The specific model aligning with the degree of success they're trying to broadcast haha. (Wife usually drives a range or x5 lol.) I'm being a little cynical of course and much like being obstinate and maligning a massive hit new album everyone else loves, this doesn't make them wrong..id just prefer something you don't see on every second block. Same goes for Audi. In fact any kind of Bimmer these days has now become somewhat original lol.
Anyway tl;dr = this is all digital browsing for now but appreciate the comments/suggestions all!
Very interesting position to be in, and kudos on getting your sister to get the 3.2 L A4. Yes, going M3 to A4, its going to feel slow. One is a performance sedan, the other was more of a luxury car with a large engine, but its not really a true performance machine. Still you guys may actually have dodged a bullet not having an S4. A friend of mine had I think three S4's from that period, had lots of serious engine problems (one became a know issue with that model), and he kept trading out of S4 s and finally eventually got an S4. Since he kept jumping Audi to Audi and bitched about them regularly, I told him he might be Audi's best, least satisfied customer of all time!
As a used car, the Camaro could be a great deal. Like I mentioned, my friend who was in the industry almost had to give it away. His was really nice, in like new condition, and so whoever bought it got a smokin hot deal !!! When I told him I was surprised it was so hard for him to find a buyer, his response was at that price, with those options, and that size engine, its really a niche car that appeals to a small group of buyers. Once you hit a certain price range it requires a dedicated fan to buy one because people start looking at premium brand, with better service centers than Chevy dealers. Still, with the right roads, a back seat for the kids, plenty of power and a manual to entertain you...it could be the perfect car for you. If I were told I had a $50K price limit for a company car and it had to be American, I'd give one some very serious thought! I've never been a Corvette guy, and I'm not much into Caddys, although they are moving more in a direction that I like at least with appearance. Also, in terms of safety, I think something with back seats is better for your little ones than an old SL with that parcel shelf that you can put a little jump seat on.
I would just say regarding your thoughts on Porsches and the comment,"Kind of like every yuppie came to the same conclusion as to best sports car. The specific model aligning with the degree of success they're trying to broadcast haha." It may ring true for some. However, I think there is more to it than that. Porsche has done really well in recent years in terms of quality, reliability, and JD Powers reports. There is something comforting in buying something that has a good reputation for being a car you can just jump in, drive and enjoy without worrying it will leave you stranded or have lots of problems especially at that price point (I know Maser owners who have had problems with last gen QPs and GTs). In addition, Porsche has a reasonable number of dealers and independent repair shops (maybe not as many as BMW and MB, but still a lot in most areas). Check in your area and see how many Lotus, Maserati, or Aston dealers and independents there are in your area. There is 1 Aston/Lotus dealer near us and no indies. They also don't give loaners. 1 acquaintance has an Evora. He drives the hell out of it, loves it, and he has I think almost 50,000 miles on it. It has been side lined numerous times (so thank goodness he has an aftermarket warranty), but if his wife can't bring him and drop him off, his getting home is like a 5 hour adventure involving 2 or 3 trains, buses, and walking...because they don't have loaners. He only lives about and hour's drive from the dealer, but that is a real pain! In addition, I have a friend who has owned several BMWs, and he also has a 991 Turbo S. He said, sure Lotus, Aston and Maser are more exotic and are beautiful, but they aren't built with the same engineering or quality, and he really enjoys the social aspect of being in the BMWCCA and PCA and meeting other local owners with similar interests. With little kids you might not have the time, but Mrs. Dino and I have lots of car friends, most own Porsches (a few own Astons, Lotus, or other cars). However, there are very few activities for their brands/clubs and there are very few owners in the area to meet or do things with. Not to mention, the Porsche/BMW guys seem to be more down to earth and less snobby than some of the exotic owners. I only have 1 really close friend with another Ferrari. Most other Fcar owners are acquaintances at best, and some are ok, but sometimes its a bit too snooty and its not as much fun at some Fcar events. So while I agree Porsches today seem to be everywhere, there are often other reasons besides status and performance for owning one rather than a rarer less commonly seen car, such as a Lotus, Aston, Maser etc.
Wishing you luck with whatever will make a for a fun Dad mobile!
Originally Posted by Thrift Vader
Pfffft. So much hate on the 996's. A low miles one in good shape at the current rock bottom prices is a damned good kop. Especially as a 2nd/3rd car. Even if just to wait for the price to go up. And it will.
The only real bargain in the 996 family is the Turbo (which uses a Mezger engine). If you can get past that it still looks like a 996, its a great performer with a basically bullet proof engine. Short of that, you couldn't give me a 996 even as a 9th car, engine issues such as IMS (although that issue can be corrected for a few grand with the LN Engineering kit), leaking rear main seals, sticky interior switches, an interior lifted from a similar year Boxster rather than a classic 911 interior, Boxster front and a lumpy back deck...there just isn't much I can find to love about it. . For what they cost, I'd much rather have a 944 Turbo S, 944S2, or 968. They handle well, are well made, offer very good performance and people are starting to rediscover what great cars they are.
Edited by Dino944 - 8/21/16 at 2:33pm