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post #22441 of 26361
I'm confused what niche Volvo has in the market. All their cars seem pretty boring.

I guess that's what they go for though... No nonsense reliability I suppose.
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Understated luxury.
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Originally Posted by bawlin View Post

Anyone in the market for a, uhhhh, Z3?



http://www.megastarmotors.com/?vehicle=bmw-z3

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Damn. I made a point of ignoring BMW convertibles ever since they started paying James Bond to use them, but this looks very nice. Who made it? Looks rather like a mid-50s Mercedes. No gull-wings, of course...frown.gif
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Understated luxury.

That's the swedes for ya!
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Originally Posted by ridethecliche View Post

I'm confused what niche Volvo has in the market. All their cars seem pretty boring.

I guess that's what they go for though... No nonsense reliability I suppose.

They used to be all about safety and safety conscious customers. I think the problem is they have been muddled in their offerings and messaging over the last few years. I don't think the recession helped either. Their customer isn't the average luxury car shopper, and their base was probably hit harder than say MB or Porsche's customers.
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mimo, the challenger IS a total pig. You know my automotive leanings, so take this with a grain of salt. But you need at least a SRT8 to move all that weight around quickly, and it's alarming how much it wallows. Combine that with bad sightlines, excessive length front and back, and shitty wet traction...and it was one of the most difficult cars I've rented. The torque is fun, though

 

Yeah, I was only considering the SRT8/GT/SS respectively - see V6/beige Ferrari above!  I'm not entirely averse to a car that takes a little effort, and the bulk/length and rear end bias are kind of part of why I'm romanticising an American muscle car in the first place. But yeah, there's a fine line between character and annoying.  We shall see.  Wet weather is relatively rare though, and I'm looking for a used bargain because there might be a second car in the plan.  But that's even less SF than this...

 

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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

If you love dat body roll, a base challenger is the way to go.

 

Base is fine in everything but the engine...

 

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Btw, any reason you aren't considering a Charger? It's basically the Challenger with better packaging and more utility. IIRC you're not in the States, but if you were there's the additional benefit of people getting the fuck out of your way because they think you're a cop

 

Haha..no I'm in the Middle East, so fuel is cheap too.  The police here don't use many unmarked cars, and they are all sorts.  But anyway, the simple reason is I don't like the look of it: I have a yearning for a silly American muscle car, and two rear doors is just too sensible.  I'm sure it's a good car, and there are others in that bracket too, but if I wanted a four door saloon I'd probably look at *dat* BMW...5/6/7 series.

 

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Based solely on recent rental car experiences with base V-6 Challenger, Camaro, and Mustang, I thought the Challenger was the closest thing to "fun". It's a horrible pg and you can't see shit to the sides or back but for some reason it was sort of entertaining.. The Camaro was just as bad visibility wise if not worse. I think the new Camaro is the lightest of the bunch now. The Mustang drove like the rental car special that it was. The Challenger trunk is actually big enough to be useful.

If I was actually going to buy one though, a Mustang GT with stick is the only one I'd actually consider.

 

Interesting.  I'm taking terrible rear/quarter visibility as read, especially for the Camaro, but where one draws the line between fun and pig is important. Good to know someone sees it the other way round.  Also, as far as the V6 options go, I think the Dodge has the biggest grunt.  But it's V8 or nothing for me in this category, I think.

post #22447 of 26361
I think Volvo's issue is a marketing one if anything. I've noted earlier in this thread how much fun my friends and I had in a Volvo 240 in high school and how generally solid Volvos are today. However, there's something lust-worthy that the brand lacks.

Even among the very nice, reserved, and polite Scandinavia based companies/people, Lego got with the times in terms of branding. The safe Japanese car companies have some sort of a halo car. The Germans and Americans - well no need to say anything. Volvo doesn't have one and that might help if they cared. Cars seem secondary at best for them, and likely tertiary. This is literally their website where cars are last:

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At least in Europe Volvo doesn't really need to advertise as people know what they stand for and know their reliability. I've spoken with a number of friends/family members over the last month about getting a Volvo vs. VW and they all said the same thing "Nice cars and no one has ever been offended by a Volvo". The last part is the most interesting part, as they even though they are not cheap people don't see them as ostentatious or gaudy like ze Germans.


Volvo was owned by Ford until a couple of years ago, they are now owned by a Chinese investment and you can clearly see before and after cars. They very clearly lost the ford DNA in their design and went back to what they are known for big square boxes.

They have done a lot for their branding, this is the advert for the new V90.

With Stutterheim raincoats and pretty swedish girls.

Their #madebysweden campaign isn't bad either.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt18QcNOm5xptQ22lDw8YgIFBertRfG4U
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Sadly, we rarely see commercials like that here in the US. It's almost always some guy yelling at you about beer, fast food, potato chips, or the three together.
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Damn that's a nice looking wagon.  Wonder what the engine options will be?  They are very Euro-focused i.e. fuel economy rules, so I'm not expecting a V10 and a blower.

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Here they are the same as XC90.
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post

I think Volvo's issue is a marketing one if anything. I've noted earlier in this thread how much fun my friends and I had in a Volvo 240 in high school and how generally solid Volvos are today. However, there's something lust-worthy that the brand lacks.

Even among the very nice, reserved, and polite Scandinavia based companies/people, Lego got with the times in terms of branding. The safe Japanese car companies have some sort of a halo car. The Germans and Americans - well no need to say anything. Volvo doesn't have one and that might help if they cared. Cars seem secondary at best for them, and likely tertiary. This is literally their website where cars are last:


Volvo Cars is a separate company from Volvo Trucks, marine, everything else.
The car company is a subsidiary of the Chinese company Geely.
post #22454 of 26361
From what I can see, almost no one in the States cares about Volvo. It was really sad over the last two Miami car shows how it was if their fully staffed, colorful booth didn't exist. Last year, they added a cell phone charging station so they got a bunch of people sitting their looking at their phones and not at the cars laugh.gif

This XC90 will change things immediately. And if they bring that wagon over.... 😍
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Neighbor side swiped my car this morning.
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