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What are the big maintenance windows on cars like that and what could you reasonably expect to put in for the car if you own it for say... 3-5 years.

 

My calibration is all sorts of farked up given that I paid 2500 for an 02 impreza with 130k miles on it and ended up needing to do the head gasket, radiator, alternator, catalytic converter, O2 sensor, and a rear wheel bearing all in the first year of ownership. I expected the head gasket at some point and knew about the cat prior to purchase, but apparently there was some sort of valving issue that was causing a bit of a fuel leakage etc that caused the cat to go which the previous owner didn't know about.

 

That said, for what I have in it (7-8k total) there's probably nothing better I could have bought and since most of the stuff I did can go on any used car, it's nice knowing that it's all been done by someone I trust during my ownership. That's given me a rather warped sense of everything else though. It's like, if a car like this cost so much wtf would have happened if I'd found a 'good deal' on a used audi or bwm with 100k-ish miles.

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For the E46 M3? Inspection II. Tires. Brakes. None of which are cheap.
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is the E39 M5 the wiser choice between the two?
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It's not the posts in this thread, but rather old issues of Road and Track. I'd really love to own a 911 993.

I recently sold my beloved A8. I put 200k miles on that fantastic car and decided against an 8k service needed to keep it at the level it deserved. My new car is intentionally practical as it gives me room to indulge in the near future.

I'm torn between the 993, a GTR or an early R8.
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I missed that boat 5 years ago. I could have bought one for 35k. Now it's 50. I feel a bit priced out, while a GTR can be had for reasonable money and will always hold it's value.

Also, the maintenance on a Porsche is eye popping as I quickly learned in my short lived foray into a 928. I know everyone likes to tout how reliable they are, but they still have issues, and especially a 20+ year old car. And basic maintenance is expensive. Also, it doesn't take much to need to pull the engine out from the bottom of that car.

I can't speak for the GTR maintenance, something I'd need to research.

993 is a great car, but it's not that great. There is a bit of madness going on here in terms of the masses purporting them to be this unicorn. Great car, but like 285 HP. And not built like a tank. Fairly reliable, but parts are getting way more expensive as the cars themselves do. Look how unloved the convertibles are. If the car were really that great, I think the verts would be better bid. ~50-60k can get you a lot of car.

993 is vastly better looking than a GTR. I know there is no argument in taste, but this is like as close as you can get to an objective statement on appearance.

R8 is sweet. Given the borderline unusability of the backseat of pre 997 cars, arguably as practical. But maintenance is probably not ideal.
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993 is a great car, but it's not that great. There is a bit of madness going on here in terms of the masses purporting them to be this unicorn. Great car, but like 285 HP. And not built like a tank. Fairly reliable, but parts are getting way more expensive as the cars themselves do. Look how unloved the convertibles are. If the car were really that great, I think the verts would be better bid. ~50-60k can get you a lot of car.

993 is vastly better looking than a GTR. I know there is no argument in taste, but this is like as close as you can get to an objective statement on appearance.

R8 is sweet. Given the borderline unusability of the backseat of pre 997 cars, arguably as practical. But maintenance is probably not ideal.

Having owned an A8, I've built a tolerance for the maintenance costs. I think I just need to drive the GTR and R8 and see how they feel. I've driven a 993, and ya it's not really that quick, but it feels really nice to drive.
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Having owned an A8, I've built a tolerance for the maintenance costs. I think I just need to drive the GTR and R8 and see how they feel. I've driven a 993, and ya it's not really that quick, but it feels nice to drive.

Will this be a primary or secondary car? If it's secondary, I'd go with whatever puts the biggest smile on your face.
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Will this be a primary or secondary car? If it's secondary, I'd go with whatever puts the biggest smile on your face.

Secondary. It wont get more than a couple thousand miles a year.

Ya, thats why I have to drive the other 2.
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is the E39 M5 the wiser choice between the two?

I think that would be more potential for financial disaster than an M3.
Source - own an E39 540 6-speed.
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Secondary. It wont get more than a couple thousand miles a year.

Ya, thats why I have to drive the other 2.

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993 is a great car, but it's not that great. There is a bit of madness going on here in terms of the masses purporting them to be this unicorn. Great car, but like 285 HP. And not built like a tank. Fairly reliable, but parts are getting way more expensive as the cars themselves do. Look how unloved the convertibles are. If the car were really that great, I think the verts would be better bid. ~50-60k can get you a lot of car.

993 is vastly better looking than a GTR. I know there is no argument in taste, but this is like as close as you can get to an objective statement on appearance.

R8 is sweet. Given the borderline unusability of the backseat of pre 997 cars, arguably as practical. But maintenance is probably not ideal.

Well the 993 is the last of the air cooled 911s.  Its also the last of the 911s, before they started growing significantly in size to add more space for the basically useless for anything other than storage back seats.  Its also the last of the 911s (with the exception of modern GT3 and GT3RS models) that were more sports car than GT car.  

 

As for HP, it was 270 in the first year models, then 282 for the remaining production years.  However, with 20 year old cars its not about all out performance by today's standards, its about how much fun you have with the car.  It was a quick car in its day, but even 1990s Ferraris and Lamborghinis are not that fast by today's standards.  If someone wants a quicker car for a hell of a lot less money just by a Subaru WRX STi. 

 

Porsche parts were never cheap, but as with many things availability/scarcity of some parts drives prices of parts upward.  Prices of the convertibles have little to do with whether the car is a great car or not.  The versions that are the most sought after and carry the highest prices the 993 Turbo S, Turbo, Carrera 4S and Carrera S were never offered as convertibles.  Also, a lot of Porsche owners for years favored coupes even with early models as they used to say you lose the classic shape of the 911 with the Targa or Cabriolet.  Only with the reintroduction of the new 991 Targa was interest renewed in the older Targa cars. 

 

The market is definitely a bit crazy regarding pricing...but from what I hear really great examples are selling even at these high prices.

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Having owned an A8, I've built a tolerance for the maintenance costs. I think I just need to drive the GTR and R8 and see how they feel. I've driven a 993, and ya it's not really that quick, but it feels really nice to drive.

Buy what you like and what you find fun.  Our of the cars you are considering, I'd go for the 993.  Fun to drive, high build quality, and unlike the others they aren't depreciating.  A friend had a V10 R8 for 2 years.  He said it did everything well, but he found it boring to drive (he also owned a 997 Cabrio, a 997 GT3 and a WRX Sti for bad weather).  He eventually traded it for an Aston Martin, loved it, and he is on his 2nd Aston now.  The GTR is great bang for the buck...but they just don't do anything for me.  Good luck with whatever you decide. 

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FYI: Carbon black with cinnamon really is the best combo. Fact.
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I want an sti :(

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FYI: Carbon black with cinnamon really is the best combo. Fact.

I love carbon black, but Interlagos w/ cinnamon takes the cake.

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Get on Tinder and don't use a condom.
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Get on Tinder and don't use a condom.

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