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post #22231 of 26293
If the 993 is your "it" car, then that's all that matters.
post #22232 of 26293
That Subaru looks amazing.

I recently realized that the 05 ish legacy GT was a helluva sleeper. Put out more hp than the 03 wrx for not much more weight. I kinda wish I knew now what I knew when I bought my car, but alas I was super crunched for time. The 2.5TS drives so dang nice though. Brings a smile to my face every time I hit an off ramp.
post #22233 of 26293
The prices of the 993 are only moving one way, so if you want one get one asap.
post #22234 of 26293
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The prices of the 993 are only moving one way, so if you want one get one asap.

I missed that boat 5 years ago. I could have bought one for 35k. Now it's 50. I feel a bit priced out, while a GTR can be had for reasonable money and will always hold it's value.

Also, the maintenance on a Porsche is eye popping as I quickly learned in my short lived foray into a 928. I know everyone likes to tout how reliable they are, but they still have issues, and especially a 20+ year old car. And basic maintenance is expensive. Also, it doesn't take much to need to pull the engine out from the bottom of that car.

I can't speak for the GTR maintenance, something I'd need to research.
post #22235 of 26293
Welcome to the club. I did the same with a 356, they are +100k now.
Edited by Find Finn - 4/29/16 at 8:36am
post #22236 of 26293
What's a 365? confused.gif
post #22237 of 26293
I saw a GTR in my hood the other day. I was super surprised given where I live, but holy shit it was awesome.
post #22238 of 26293
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I saw a GTR in my hood the other day. I was super surprised given where I live, but holy shit it was awesome.

You're in Boston right? They're a dime a dozen what with all the rich international college kids (Chinese).
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You're in Boston right? They're a dime a dozen what with all the rich international college kids (Chinese).

Worcester now, saw tons of ridonk stuff parked on/driving through newbs when I lived in the bean.
post #22240 of 26293
I don't think GTR maintenance is cheap... at least on the mod side of the equation, there is a serious tax on all parts GTR that is equivalent to the Porsche tax. The early model GTRs have had lots of transmission problems as well that make for a steep bill. Many guys will cross shop the 997 Turbo when looking at GTRs, FWIW.
post #22241 of 26293
I drove a GTR a year ago and the first thing that hit me was how clunky the transmission was in low speed city driving. I thought it was broken at first because it kept clanking and making worrisome metal slamming on metal sounds every so often.

Turns out it's 100% normal. It's a very raw car and you can hear and feel everything. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it makes for a poor DD.
post #22242 of 26293
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I drove a GTR a year ago and the first thing that hit me was how clunky the transmission was in low speed city driving. I thought it was broken at first because it kept clanking and making worrisome metal slamming on metal sounds every so often.

Turns out it's 100% normal. It's a very raw car and you can hear and feel everything. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it makes for a poor DD.

I have never, not once, heard anyone call the GTR "raw". :confused:  Are you sure the GTR you drove wasn't a POS? I can see and have often heard "isolated", "distant" and "digital", but never "raw", "clanking" or "slamming"... The only guys I knew to have GTRs only used them as DDs... As a "toy", well there are better tools for that job. 

 

You best stay away from a F430 Scud or GT3RS... 

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What's a 365? confused.gif

a full year. wink.gif
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I have never, not once, heard anyone call the GTR "raw". confused.gif   Are you sure the GTR you drove wasn't a POS? I can see and have often heard "isolated", "distant" and "digital", but never "raw", "clanking" or "slamming"... The only guys I knew to have GTRs only used them as DDs... As a "toy", well there are better tools for that job. 

You best stay away from a F430 Scud or GT3RS... 

It was a brand new one at the time, relatively, that is. Had fewer than 3K miles.

I stand by raw: it had a lot of road noise, the suspension was very stiff, you could feel every bump in the road (going over a small parking lot speed bump at 10 MPH felt like hitting a deep pothole at 70 MPH). That all said, steering didn't transmit much feel back and shifts were somewhat clunky at slow speeds. It's not raw like a GT3 is raw, but it's not a lux/comfort performance sports car like the AMGs or Ms.

Even if you look at the newest GTR, most of the changes they've made are to mitigate against what I just mentioned: there's more sound deadening, they modified the transmission to be less clunky, and it's more "refined" and comfortable all around.
post #22245 of 26293
I think there's a difference between raw and lack of refinement. I should note, I've never been in a GTR that was anything other than parked, so this is my take on the subject in general.

One of my good friends always puts my M4 into Sport Plus damping when he drives it just to piss me off. It's a setting that isn't even the fastest for some tracks, much less going to grab food on California roads. I'd hardly call that 'raw' simply because it's uncomfortable.

I did have the opportunity to ride along with one of the Porsche drivers in a pre-production GT3 RS at an amazing track about 2 years ago. The GT3 RS was, in my book, the definition of 'raw' - though I'm not a fan of the term.

Clunky shifts and arbitrarily stiff suspensions make for a shitty car, not something that's 'raw'. The same goes for road noise. If you remove sound insulation to make the car genuinely lighter, fine. If the car is just noisy, that doesn't necessarily reflect some inherent truism.

This isn't a knock on the GTR, but it's just my take.
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