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I do have to fly out to Austin early tmrw for a wedding. I hope the group therapy sessions go well.
post #22037 of 26360
Forget Tesla. Just give me a Prius. I can b drive the 911 on weekends.
post #22038 of 26360
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post


To make matters worse, there's already a line of cars. It ends up taking you 1 hour since arrival to depart fully topped off.

That is already an issue and when the 3 starts arriving, it will become a bigger issue.

Renault had a battery swap system setup with subscription etc. with government backing, it went bankrupt 3 times within a couple years and had to be saved, so battery swap isn't the solution.

Better tech and longer ranges like the new battery supposedly being worked on, is a better solution.
post #22039 of 26360
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

That is already an issue and when the 3 starts arriving, it will become a bigger issue.

Renault had a battery swap system setup with subscription etc. with government backing, it went bankrupt 3 times within a couple years and had to be saved, so battery swap isn't the solution.

Better tech and longer ranges like the new battery supposedly being worked on, is a better solution.
In the same line of thought, the most outspoken advocate for electric cars in the Netherlands said to the media this week that our charging infrastructure would need a serious overhaul to manage daily driving of a decent size fleet. Yet we already have one of the densest loading infrastructures in Europe due to the industry agreeing on a standard very early on..

I do think that edrives are here to stay, but they will be a part of the market next to ice driving cars. They won't supplant it.

Knowing how everybody feels about hydrogen, if found this startup interesting:
http://www.hydrogenious.net/en/home/
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Teslas only have a range of 280 miles

Fuck. That. Noise.

I mean, why else did they try to implement a battery swap system? It's clearly an issue they identified.
PM'ed you my paypal address for the $50,000
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

That is already an issue and when the 3 starts arriving, it will become a bigger issue.

Renault had a battery swap system setup with subscription etc. with government backing, it went bankrupt 3 times within a couple years and had to be saved, so battery swap isn't the solution.

Better tech and longer ranges like the new battery supposedly being worked on, is a better solution.

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Originally Posted by nootje View Post

In the same line of thought, the most outspoken advocate for electric cars in the Netherlands said to the media this week that our charging infrastructure would need a serious overhaul to manage daily driving of a decent size fleet. Yet we already have one of the densest loading infrastructures in Europe due to the industry agreeing on a standard very early on..

I do think that edrives are here to stay, but they will be a part of the market next to ice driving cars. They won't supplant it.

Knowing how everybody feels about hydrogen, if found this startup interesting:
http://www.hydrogenious.net/en/home/

Just don't buy a fucking Tesla then FFS.
post #22042 of 26360
So I got this in the mail and found the prices amusing. If you were ever thinking about buying a Lambo and was wondering how much it cost to service it...


I don't have a Lambo but Penske just opened a multi-marque exotics dealership in the area and must have found some competitor mailing lists to spam...
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The $600 is like the price of the MB Service B.
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That's just the price of an oil change and a complimentary inspection wherein they tell you you have $20,000 worth of additional maintenance to do.
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Just don't buy a fucking Tesla then FFS.

Easy there hulk frog.
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That's just the price of an oil change and a complimentary inspection wherein they tell you you have $20,000 worth of additional maintenance to do.

Yes, not really a true indicator of service cost.  One indy Fcar service shop around me recommends and does on older Ferraris (308/328/ and 3.0 and 3.2 liter Mondials) a spring service which runs about $1,000.  Its an oil and filter change, flush and replace brake fluid, flush and replace coolant, and change gear box oil.  That is exclusive of anything else that may need to be done.  

 

As of a few years ago Ferrari maintenance/ service is included in the price of a new one for the first 7 years, as they are trying to keep cars from going to indies for a while. 

post #22047 of 26360
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If you point out where I shat on Teslas for "only doing 280 miles" on this page, I will paypal you $50,000.

Just... re-read my first post. I'm talking about the 20 minute charge time and how that could potentially lead to long lines of people waiting to charge their cars.

THAT IS ALL.

Ugh, fuck it. I can't anymore.



I made a similar comment pages ago.  I argued that people are loss adverse, and the average person, even though they may never drive further than the range of an electric car, will be concerned about that, and they'll weigh that concern higher than other benefits.

I didn't shit on Tesla either.  I just pointed out why they will continue to have trouble with the broader market appeal for some time.

post #22048 of 26360
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Originally Posted by Dino944 View Post
 

Yes, not really a true indicator of service cost.  One indy Fcar service shop around me recommends and does on older Ferraris (308/328/ and 3.0 and 3.2 liter Mondials) a spring service which runs about $1,000.  Its an oil and filter change, flush and replace brake fluid, flush and replace coolant, and change gear box oil.  That is exclusive of anything else that may need to be done.  

 

As of a few years ago Ferrari maintenance/ service is included in the price of a new one for the first 7 years, as they are trying to keep cars from going to indies for a while. 

 

These maintenance costs are why lottery winners go broke.  They go out and buy $100k+ cars and massive homes, and they don't think about how much more maintenance and repairs are on those things.

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Lottery winners go broke because they are the type of people that typically play lottery 

post #22050 of 26360
@ramuman I actually don't think people in this thread are crapping on Teslas. No one is saying they aren't cool pieces of engineering. They are, however, offering valid counterpoints as to why Tesla may not live up to the hype or why it faces a lot of hurdles going forward.

Personally, I think Teslas are another blobby car. They do nothing for me. I don't really care that much if people love them or hate them though. It's not much of a concern of mine. Not really anything worth getting worked up over. My main argument is that the stock is wildly overvalued and that is what I care about. I actually offered that opinion because someone in the thread said they were long TSLA. I can't remember who, maybe it was @Texasmade? I stand behind that statement. Your being a Ph.D. in engineering or having cared about the health of the earth for a long time doesn't change how I feel about that. And I should point out that it's not how I feel, it is what I do for a living. I trade options professionally and focus on TSLA quite a bit. I am a fairly big player in that market (bigger than JPM, UBS, SocGen, Citi, and DE Shaw, to name a few). As a result, I do have my ear to the ground on that stock. I pay more attention to it than most people do and I make a lot of decisions based on a wide array of concrete data, as well as projections from a variety of well respected industry analysts. I am not just spouting off BS. And I am literally putting my money where my mouth is.

People in this thread are making valuable points. Points which I deem to be discussion oriented and thought provoking. Your response is often ad hominem attacks. Case in point, the previous page with @GreenFrog. And what's worse, is that you literally kill every conversation around the subject because you view any discussion around Tesla as an attack on you personally, so no one else even wants to bother to engage. Your attitude within this thread actually makes @jet seem reasonable and likable! Just because some of these people don't own Teslas doesn't mean they don't have valid thoughts or opinions on the matter. You owning one doesn't necessarily make them more valid. Just because you know someone who knows Elon means that you know more than anyone else. If anything, it seems to be making you myopic on the matter. You fail to see the forest for the trees.

Stop being a dick. It's ruining this thread.
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