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Regarding Supercharging, waiting does suck. The primary one I use is at a Costco nearby and sometimes cars are queued up 15 min deep. However, you can likely trickle charge at home off 110 to top off every day. Of course that won't be much solace on a road trip.

It will be very interesting to see how this develops, particularly in California where Teslas are omnipresent. Perhaps that means they will build enough supercharger capacity for 80% peak times but perhaps they'll never get ahead of the curve, who knows. I'm a bit surprised they aren't charging for supercharger access when they did for the smaller battery Model S. I'd be pissed if I was an S60 owner, particularly if I paid $2k for the access. Really glad I cancelled my deposit on the X and got one on the 3. Feel much better about this car having seen a few X's around and realizing how difficult it would be to live with for our needs.

Since I'm in a multi-car household, the supercharging concern is muted since we can always take our ICE car for trips longer than 100 miles each way. Of course if you take a lot of road trips and your Tesla is your only car, then supercharging is a material factor. When we were contemplating the Model X as our all around car including Tahoe trips, we thought about the impact of fighting for time at the supercharger and it wasn't super attractive but the 3 is more of a no brainer for us since we won't be using it for long road trips and won't take it to Tahoe (well, depending on what the Y SUV brings to the table).

Going to the gas station is one of life's hidden nuisances so I greatly look forward to largely cutting them out of my life. If I were commuting again, it would certainly weigh heavily in my decision to get an electric car. Since I'm no longer driving regularly, it's a bit more academic.

One addendum to my earlier post - only US sales count toward the 200k car cap, so it's entirely possible the full $7500 federal tax credit will be available. Even if they blow through the cap, a reduced tax credit is available for a year (it cuts in half for two quarters and then in half again for two more). Unfortunately the California tax credit is now unavailable for people with high household incomes so we may not qualify for that, depending on how things go in a few years. Incidentally, the whole dialogue about the tax credits being a subsidy for the rich is so ridiculous. The whole point of the tax credits was to subsidize electric car makers, not to subsidize buyers. In a bow to idiocy, California is now only making the full tax credit available to less affluent people - and the last thing we should be doing is incentivizing people without lots of disposable income to buy high priced new cars. I guess the only surprise is that it took this long for stupidity to win out.
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My plan is to turn in the M4 at lease end, keep the S and save my pennies for something that starts with a P.

Are you sure it's not going to start with a 570 or 650?
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You can always turn it off.

Sure. I just hope that I always have the option to turn it off. Better yet, allow me to leave it off the car entirely and let me pay less. The Macan has the lane assist thing and it's infuriating/permanently off.

On a related note, I read somewhere that the NHTSA was thinking about only issuing five star crash ratings if the car was equipped with an automatic braking system. My reaction to this was part "this will probably save lives" and part "here we go...another step in legislating driving away"
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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post

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I guess the only surprise is that it took this long for stupidity to win out.
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Are you sure it's not going to start with a 570 or 650?

To the first point, it's California. When I wanted to register my S there, the woman at the DMV asked where my smog test was and how many cylinders the car had. It eventually took her supervisor to sort things out - in a place where I'm guessing every third car is a Tesla.

To the second, I will own a McLaren by the time I'm 40. #aspirations
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Sure. I just hope that I always have the option to turn it off. Better yet, allow me to leave it off the car entirely and let me pay less. The Macan has the lane assist thing and it's infuriating/permanently off.

On a related note, I read somewhere that the NHTSA was thinking about only issuing five star crash ratings if the car was equipped with an automatic braking system. My reaction to this was part "this will probably save lives" and part "here we go...another step in legislating driving away"

All those alarms, beeps, and fucking around with my throttle piss me off. There's one my new MB has that cuts the throttle at weird times as it supposedly thinks you might loose control. It usually likes to do it when I floor it due to pulling into traffic...yeah, no safety issue there.

Also, just wait for driving habit monitoring by insurance companies to be SOP and it costing a premium not to have one of their little electronic spies installed in your ride.
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This is not a tesla criticism, but I still hate all this autonomous driving tech. I get how a lot of people want the next best thing to being chauffeured around, but speaking for myself I can't imagine how I would enjoy driving a car that I wasn't actually driving


Certain generations will never get used to it or want it. The people who will are kids who will grow up with it as an option and would much rather be on Snapchat/texting/FB/etc then having to worry about driving or pay attention to the road. Over time it will become the norm and anyone who cared about driving themselves will be long gone or too old to drive.
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Well this is why they should keep making fast and the furious movies. Gotta motivate the new generation to feel that VTEC kick in, yo
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Well this is why they should keep making fast and the furious movies. Gotta motivate the new generation to feel that VTEC kick in, yo

There is no downshift, only upshift /Yoda voice
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Meh, I would happily give up driving for a self-driving car.  Commutes would be faster, and there would be a lot less risk of severe accidents.

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Lulz @ self drivers.
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I just wish my old ass car had adaptive cruise control.
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Originally Posted by Jr Mouse View Post

Certain generations will never get used to it or want it. The people who will are kids who will grow up with it as an option and would much rather be on Snapchat/texting/FB/etc then having to worry about driving or pay attention to the road. Over time it will become the norm and anyone who cared about driving themselves will be long gone or too old to drive.

And don't forget...plenty of people are already on snapchat while driving.

I'm fine with HRoi getting to keep driving, but put those fuckers on autopilot (since we can't seem to convince them to put the phone away).

Because of this, I'd be cool with them including it by default and not offering a cheaper option without it...especially since at some point, it is just software. Many of those sensors will be included for other reasons, and everything is fly-by-wire anyway, so the auto-driving is just a software unlock.
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I would much rather have my car drive itself. To think I could have an extra 60-80 minutes each way on my commute to do something productive? (I am including sleep in this) That would be amazing.

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Why so binary? Have two cars: one self-driver for the boring commute so you can sleep and jack off and a ZHP for the weekend.
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I forget the name of the company, but there is a start-up out in California that is working on an interesting concept built around self-driving cars. It's a membership service that sends you a self-driving car on demand or at regularly scheduled times. Where the concept really starts to get compelling is that you will also be able to choose the type of vehicle you want based on needs. Want to pick up some new furniture from Ikea? Ask for a self-driving truck or SUV. Have a date or client you want to impress? Luxury vehicles will be available. There are a lot of possibilities here and since you don't own the vehicles they will drive off when done so you wouldn't even need a garage or parking place. No dealing with maintenance either. If they can pull it off, I see no reason something like this couldn't take off.
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On the flip side here is an Interesting counter-argument presented on why self-driving cars may not be ready for a long, long time. http://observer.com/2016/02/why-driverless-cars-will-screech-to-a-halt/

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Think about it: Every driver makes hundreds of daily driving decisions that, strictly speaking, break driving laws (for example, crossing the yellow line to pull around a double-parked vehicle). It all works out fine because of something called “human judgment.” But what company is going to program its driverless cars to break the law? And what regulators will approve that product, knowing that it has been programmed to break the law?

Will insurance policies for driverless cars cover the car itself? Or will they cover the owner of the vehicle? Or perhaps the technology company that controls the car’s routes? Who will be responsible if there is an accident? The individual owner or the vehicle manufacturer? Or the company that designed the navigation system? To cut through this conundrum, some have proposed the creation of the legal fiction of “virtual drivers” who will purchase “virtual insurance.” But this gobbledygook is just vaporware for the fact that nobody knows how to move through this morass.
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