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Any thoughts on the new NSX?

 

What about the NSX compared to the second generation R8?

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I see Seinfeld just auctioned off 17 cars and got over $22 million.

That's likely a monthly residual check for him.
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It's a Hyundai Santro, which really is cardboard wrapped in tinfoil. (no offence to oscarthewild).

 

I had a Hyundai once - a Coupe, '97, first car I ever bought new.  It was cheap, looked great, fantastically equipped for the money and handled like it was on rails.  But the four banger was a bit weedy.  Korean cars have really come along in the last few years - modern Kias and Hyundais have really stepped up the design game, and I think the Kia saloons now look fantastic.  But they still seem to be a generation behind in engines imho: takes a long time to catch up to US/Euro/Japan levels of expertise in that fundamental matter.  Then again, go back to the 70s and the same was said about Japanese cars.  Now it's Chinese who have awful engines but they'll get there.  On which note, I had something called a "Luxgen" as a courtesy from a client for a couple of months, made in Taiwan.  The weakest turbo car I've ever driven, and an ill-handling plastic-fumed tinfoil deathtrap at that.

 

My tinfoil award goes to a British car, though - and my only proper car crash: company Rover, just before I bought the Hyundai in '97:

 

 

 

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Comic book dorks

 

Off topic, please check out my good friend Neil's highly-acclaimed series Twisted Dark.  I've done a tiny bit of editing on a couple of the volumes.  Also, meet @TheWraith - our very own forum-fellow and comic book writing celebrity.

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There was a reason why Rover went bankrupt. wink.gif The first gen Fiat Panda was even worse.


Asian cars have come a long way and like TG said in their China episode if they keep improving this fast, european manufactures should worried. I remember Daewoo selling the Opel Kadet in mid 00's just with a new badge.
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That's likely a monthly residual check for him.

I'm curious if he's downsizing or just making room for new additions, dat R etc.

 

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Anyone looking for a new DD.



http://www.rmsothebys.com/mc16/monaco/lots/1997-porsche-911-gt1-evolution/1079327

a couple favorites

 

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Those Porsches also benefited from some kind of Seinfeld effect. Yes, some are one of a kind, but the less rare ones sold for a premium vs comparable cars, I believe

Seinfeld is a well known collector, but I'm not think his owning a car carries the same kind of weight as a car that was owned by Steve McQueen.  That is when celebrity ownership has a tremendous effect...say its Lusso selling for about $1.8 mil when Lusso's were changing hands for $600-800K or his 930 Turbo Carrera selling for $1.9 mil when the best examples sell for $300K

 

I think one that maybe got strong celebrity boost was the 997 Speedster.  Dealers couldn't give those things away.  I can recall a dealer near me had one sitting in their showroom for nearly 2 years with a sticker of around $212K, and they were advertising it for sale for $160K.   I just saw one with 7,500 miles listed for $175K (not sure the mileage/condition on Seinfeld's car)

 

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And most of the cars sold for below estimate, which I think was $24-28mm based on Gooding's numbers, compared to the $22mm achieved. 

 

FWIW, several (nicer, lower mileage) Flachbaus have sold for more than the price of the Seinfeld car. 

I didn't know other Flachbaus had sold for more...I always thought they were sort of ugly compared to the 911 Turbo Slantnoses of the 1980s, so I haven't followed that model very closely.  Most of the cars did sell within the estimates.  I think where the cars fell way short of the estimates (by a $1 million or more) were the racing cars...which although cool, may have a limited appeal because they can only be used on the track.  

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Any thoughts on the new NSX?

What about the NSX compared to the second generation R8?

My take on the NSX - Disappointing and overpriced. Styling is basically the R8 with an ugly nose tacked on. Performance - we'll see, but my understanding is they benchmarked the 458, and that is a generation old.
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I'm curious if he's downsizing or just making room for new additions, dat R etc.

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I doubt he has to make room for new additions. At his wealth and means, I can't imagine that. I'm guessing he just wants to see them go on to the next collector. I'm glad he's genuinely passionate about cars. It's not like us plebes debating the most financially sound option. Elon Musk bought a F1 for a hair over a million, next to near totaled it on Sand Hill Road and sold it for 4 million.

I think Ralph Lauren has the best collection I've heard of from an individual owner - including exact variants of the F1, the 250, F40, etc. He's up there in age, I wonder what happens. I bought a RLBL suit last week - pay it forward bro.
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I doubt he has to make room for new additions. At his wealth and means, I can't imagine that. I'm guessing he just wants to see them go on to the next collector. I'm glad he's genuinely passionate about cars. It's not like us plebes debating the most financially sound option. Elon Musk bought a F1 for a hair over a million, next to near totaled it on Sand Hill Road and sold it for 4 million.

I think Ralph Lauren has the best collection I've heard of from an individual owner - including exact variants of the F1, the 250, F40, etc. He's up there in age, I wonder what happens. I bought a RLBL suit last week - pay it forward bro.

dat wealth effect from dat TSLA price appreciation
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dat wealth effect from dat TSLA price appreciation

My game plan is to sign the Monroney window sticker (which is immaculate) and start the bidding at $3 mil. I got this.
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I loved the NSX when I saw it at the Miami auto show. I agree that the styling seems derivative of the R8, though. To be honest, I got completely turned off by the booth staffer who was equal parts unhelpful and not knowledgeable. And then she asks for my email and sends me e-brochures for every single Acura in the lineup EXCEPT for the NSX.

Of course, all that really matters is how it drives, but it seems impossible for me to figure that out, what with "all production for the next x years already being presold". I think only huge NSX fanbois and speculators will get on the list for a car almost no one has driven
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I think Ralph Lauren has the best collection I've heard of from an individual owner - including exact variants of the F1, the 250, F40, etc. He's up there in age, I wonder what happens. I bought a RLBL suit last week - pay it forward bro.

Definitely, a great collection!  I saw some of them on display years ago when some were on exhibit at Boston Museum of fine arts.  I believe the book RL Speed, Style and Beauty was based on the exhibit.  In addition to Ferraris, he as a Jag D Type, a 300SL Gullwing, the 1930s MB "Count Trossi" SSK, a Bugatti Atlantic Coupe, a Porsche 959, and several others.  

 

He is also very particular about his cars.  He is currently having a Ferrari 250 SWB stripped down to the bare metal and correctly restored (because whoever restored it previously did not have all of the details correct).  The place doing the restoration has a starting price of $650K to do nut and bolt restoration and it goes up swiftly from there.  I had also read that when he buys modern cars, he often buys 3 of the same model but in different colors (one for each of his kids when he is gone).  

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I loved the NSX when I saw it at the Miami auto show. I agree that the styling seems derivative of the R8, though. To be honest, I got completely turned off by the booth staffer who was equal parts unhelpful and not knowledgeable. And then she asks for my email and sends me e-brochures for every single Acura in the lineup EXCEPT for the NSX.

Of course, all that really matters is how it drives, but it seems impossible for me to figure that out, what with "all production for the next x years already being presold". I think only huge NSX fanbois and speculators will get on the list for a car almost no one has driven

I think it's very similar to the BMW i8. When they e-mail blasted people about an extended test drive and then grilled you on driving a car of that performance and you're in a new 2015 that they couldn't sell (BMW's model year cycle ends in June - so really pathetic if you couldn't move a 2015 model out in Jan or Feb of 2016), it's terrible.

I was really put off as I've mentioned earlier. Acura/Honda are doing the same thing. Great products hold their own merit and don't require hype. I know the reviews went online Monday, it's just a case of make the thing.
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You think the RL collection is better than Leno's?  I haven't seen either, but I know Leno is quite the serious collector.

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