Originally Posted by ramuman
I've never suggested turbo engines are the end all. The exhaust note thing comes about when you keep posting about 'dat exhaust tho' - it wasn't changing the point of the discussion when it clearly had deviated towards V10s and V12s being better sounding. Yet (with the exception of you catching my ninja edit of the P1), no one could correctly tell the difference between a Yamaha Moto GP bike and an Aventador or Tesla without me posting it
For the record, I loved my E92 M3. I love my F82 M4 even more. Again, as Chris Harris said, because of the engine, not in spite of it.
You cannot boldly state the above as indisputable truth (<-- and this statement is fact) because you posted the answers before anyone posted their guesses. This gives you the easy out of saying "oh you only got it because I told you already." What if no one read through the rest of the thread before listening to your clips? You may believe all you want that no one would have guessed correctly, but the E92 M3, the F8X M3 / M4, and Aventador are very, very easy to identify (to me, at least, despite having never owned any of them, which seems to be your sole criterion for having the right to say you know anything about the cars).
Not to mention, you changed the rules of the game each time you posted a clip. First, you tasked us with identifying the engine configuration, down to whether it was inline, flat, or V-shaped. But you gave the answers in the form of what specific make and model the car was. Yes, that tells you the engine configuration by default, but let's get technical here as you so like to do. There is a difference between saying "that sounds like a V8" vs. "that sounds like the E92 M3."
Then you quizzed me on the second round to figure out the engine type and make of the car (this was for the P1). And on the third round, with the Moto GP, you said I had to guess the model and YEAR. On top of that, you threw in the curveball of saying it had 2, 3, and 4 wheel applications. Wat?
I've point blank asked you three times already, I think, what the quizzes have to do with one's preference for larger, naturally aspirated engines. You've skirted it every single time. If you posted a clip of a twin turbo V6 exhaust note and I stated (incorrectly) it was indisputably the exhaust from a V10, then I think you have a point. But distinguishing a flat four from a V8 from a V12? Pointless and irrelevant to the topic at hand.
I'll state this clearly again: I'm not saying that a turbocharged engine can't sound good. I'm not saying that only large, NA engines can sound good. A good exhaust sounds good, regardless of what engine configuration it comes from.
I, and others, are only stating preferences here and you're getting angry that we haven't "seen the light" of turbo applications it seems.. as if we're just wrong
for preferring NA engines. As an exhaust whore, if I walked into an Audi dealership and asked for the R8 V10+ but was told it was replaced with a twin turbo V6, you can bet your ass I would walk out, regardless of how well it performs or handles. And this was my entire point from the very beginning: that a downsized, turbocharged engine for everyday road car usage simply cannot have its exhaust be engineered to sound like its predecessor V8, V10, V12, or what have you. I've never driven an M4, but I believe you and others when they say it has no discernible turbo lag. Notice how I never brought it up as a point of contention against turbo engines. I've focused on exhausts only.
I think you have this engineering mindset where your stance is that turbocharged engines are superior when you tally up all its pros and cons -- that it's objectively
, and therefore, logically
, the way to go. But people are irrational. Their choices and preferences for cars are driven by emotions as much as they are by cold, hard facts.
Perhaps it was unfair for us to debate on this topic, as I was clearly focused on one aspect of turbo engines while you were busy volleying different points from others and perhaps got lost in the nonsense of this all.