Originally Posted by ramuman
Drivers tend to willfully ignore other cars as well. However, when the momentum delta is 50k Newton seconds - the car will win - by a lot. I ride my bicycle a fair amount, but I also don't ride it in a lane on PCH. The same with motorcycles - if someone lane splits, then you're admitting the standard rules don't apply to you, even if it is legal.
I don't have a problem with cyclists or motorcyclists. I ride my bicycle on back trails. The thing is, you know what you're signing up for.
I sure as hell don't expect myself to win at about 75-80kg between my bicycle and myself against a 2000 kg SUV. The onus is on me to be careful at that point. The whole motorcycle/bicycle sob story is pathetic.
I'm not sure what you're calling a sob story exactly. Most of my close calls on the bicycle or motorcycle have been because someone was just not looking where they were supposed to or thought they could beat me at a turn when I was driving at the posted limit. The idea that drivers aren't guilty of negligence is pretty pathetic as well. This isn't about 'winning' it's about being a predictable driver/rider and following the rules of the road. I'm way more of a defensive rider than I am a defensive driver. And I'm VERY defensive when I drive.
I'm not talking about lane splitting as it's illegal where I live, nor am I talking about motorcyclists driving like idiots. In the latter case, yeah, if you pull a bonehead move... you get hurt and at times you get hurt bad. It makes defensive driving and road awareness far more important. You're also less likely to be playing with your phone, changing the radio station, or brushing your teeth/hair on the way to work if you're riding a bike than if you're behind the wheel of a car.
If lane splitting is legal, then apparently drivers should be looking out for it because it's the law. How can you claim standard rules don't apply if the rules were in the book.
There's a difference between being taken out on a bicycle/motorcycle by someone that isn't paying attention and because you're doing something stupid. I've been right hooked by cars when I was just trying to get to work on my bicycle because someone was too busy to give an indicator or look at a mirror before turning right into a bike lane. Apparently our society refuses to penalize ignorance though.
As you were.