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post #20326 of 26361
Was expecting margins for Ferraris and the like to be in the low 20s range, so the 12% figure is surprising.

Though I guess on a relative basis, that makes sense since most production cars are in the single digit range.

I wonder what the margins are on the $1-2M hyper cars then. I guess we'll never know.
post #20327 of 26361
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Was expecting margins for Ferraris and the like to be in the low 20s range, so the 12% figure is surprising.

Though I guess on a relative basis, that makes sense since most production cars are in the single digit range.

I wonder what the margins are on the $1-2M hyper cars then. I guess we'll never know.

 

Bugatti loses money on every sale which makes me think Lambo would be in the same boat and the loses and such are covered by VW which is embroiled in Diesel-gate currently.

post #20328 of 26361
You can't compare lambo and Bugatti as businesses.
post #20329 of 26361
Yeah, I don't think they're comparable. Plus, the Veyron was waaaayyyy more advanced than anything of its time when it first came out and that Bugatti was losing massive amounts of money on each vehicle.

I'd expect the LaFerraris, P1s, etc to be profitable vehicles.
post #20330 of 26361
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Yeah, plug in hybrid. Wouldn't have gotten it without the perks. Went from a Lancer Evo to this : /

 

Wait... What?

post #20331 of 26361
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Bugatti loses money on every sale which makes me think Lambo would be in the same boat and the loses and such are covered by VW which is embroiled in Diesel-gate currently.


Lambo makes money.  I literally just posted an article discussing it.  Bugatti does lose money though, and VW doesn't show the financials.

post #20332 of 26361
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Lambo makes money.  I literally just posted an article discussing it.  Bugatti does lose money though, and VW doesn't show the financials.

 

The article states NOTHING about Lambo making money.  It says Prosche and Bentley.  It says they sell the cars but not a profit margin.

post #20333 of 26361
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Yeah, I don't think they're comparable. Plus, the Veyron was waaaayyyy more advanced than anything of its time when it first came out and that Bugatti was losing massive amounts of money on each vehicle.

I'd expect the LaFerraris, P1s, etc to be profitable vehicles.

It took Bugatti 10 years to sell 450 Veyrons, as a comparison Ferrari makes 7k cars a year and Lamborghini about 2k.

As a more direct comparison the new Huayra BC is already sold out and that hasn't been released yet.
post #20334 of 26361
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The article states NOTHING about Lambo making money.  It says Prosche and Bentley.  It says they sell the cars but not a profit margin.

 

VW counts Lambo as part of Audi apparently: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1090892_porsche-makes-more-money-per-car-than-audi-bentley-or-lamborghini

 

Back in 2008, their margin was 10%: http://www.lambocars.com/lambonews/lamborghini_among_most_profitable_car_brands.html

post #20335 of 26361
I'm pretty sure Lambo is a part Audi for emission purposes and for them to keep making V12s and still reach the required emission targets.
post #20336 of 26361
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125229157

It's no wonder American cars grew into such a bad reputation. Still trying to picture someone having sex on a running car assembly line...
post #20337 of 26361
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Was expecting margins for Ferraris and the like to be in the low 20s range, so the 12% figure is surprising.

Though I guess on a relative basis, that makes sense since most production cars are in the single digit range.

I wonder what the margins are on the $1-2M hyper cars then. I guess we'll never know.

Ferrari makes enough cars to do a solid job without Fiat me thinks. Lambo and Porsche are part of the VW group and Porsche very likely has solid margins. If you can charge for a custom key color, you're rolling in it.

The one I'd really want to see is Koenigsegg.
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125229157

It's no wonder American cars grew into such a bad reputation. Still trying to picture someone having sex on a running car assembly line...

If I had to make those cars, you better believe I'd be on enough Molly to make an impact wrench feel sexy.
post #20339 of 26361
Google British Leyland wink.gif
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=125229157

It's no wonder American cars grew into such a bad reputation. Still trying to picture someone having sex on a running car assembly line...

Good read; thanks for the link. As probably one of the only SF posters that actually worked the line at a Big 3 auto plant I can tell you the corporate culture in the late 80s/early 90s was fucked and it was allegedly an improvement from the 70s and early 80s. Laziest bunch of over paid fuck ups ever.
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