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post #20236 of 26272
The q3 is based on the A3 platform, so it's the same size as a golf and X1
post #20237 of 26272
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

The q3 is based on the A3 platform, so it's the same size as a golf and X1

 

This is the greatest con in recent years.  Take a hatchback, jack it up, say it's a crossover, and sell it for a lot more money.  We looked at 3 X1s at some point last year and it seems all the lease loaners we looked at were base models without any frills.  People buying for the badge alone.

post #20238 of 26272
They are like Vuitton wallets a way to get people into the foley.

The biggest scam is vw all road, you can get any vw with plastic fender flares and 2 wheel drive.
post #20239 of 26272
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What about the Q3?  The prestige Q3 with AWD is about $600/mo with nothing down on their lease calculator with 3-year/36k miles.

Is't that even smaller? I remember us testing the Q5 and thought that was quite small enough last lease cycle. Also, the BMW goes much better unless they upgraded the Audi's engine. Electronics was nice though, if I remember right, and same with fit and finish.

I rented one of these the year before last (Q3). Really nice except the Nav system drove me nuts. The BQE is not an ideal time to go on the fritz.
post #20240 of 26272

My mistake about the Q3.  What about the Lexus RX?  Seems that is the $600/mo range fully loaded. 

post #20241 of 26272
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post

This is the greatest con in recent years.  Take a hatchback, jack it up, say it's a crossover, and sell it for a lot more money.  We looked at 3 X1s at some point last year and it seems all the lease loaners we looked at were base models without any frills.  People buying for the badge alone.

I sort of agree with what you are saying but the X1 is not the best example, first because it costs less than any other BMW model in the US (or at least it did in 2014 when I bought mine), and second because I think it actually offers a pretty compelling package all things considered. The last generation X1 was the last BMW to offer hydraulic steering and had the same 4-cylinder turbo as the 3 series and 5 series (among others). The old X1 was basically an updated e90 and has retained much of the desirable BMW handling that has become a thing of the past with electric power steering and other "refinement". We cross-shopped it against a number of cars and found it much nicer to drive and with a nicer interior than anything we compared it to. I've posted a number of times that it's not exactly a love affair between me and that car but a lot of that has to do with my use case. From a performance/handling standpoint, other than the auto start stop and somewhat disappointing fuel economy, the X1 has performed exactly as we had hoped for and expected and I haven't seen another comparable car that can match it across the board.

A few months ago we looked at trading our X1 in for a new Outback but after sitting in and driving the Outback it became pretty clear that we would end up spending money out of pocket for a significantly worse vehicle. The Outback is pretty much only better for my purposes in two areas: (i) more space, (ii) less precious, but paying more money for a less precious vehicle doesn't make a lot of sense and we are going to see if we can make due with a smaller than ideal vehicle. Most of the value difference was a result of an apples to oranges comparison of a new Outback to a slightly used X1 but even at full price I could make an argument that our reasonably well-optioned X1 (ultimate package + heated seats) provided better value than an optioned up Outback for its mid-30's price.

To Find Finn's point, I agree that many people buy entry-level near-luxury vehicles for superficial reasons but that really didn't play into it in our decision. If anything, we would have preferred to stay away from BMW but couldn't find anything comparable for our needs. Our BMW sales associate has reached out to get us to buy a bigger BMW now that our family has grown but there is really nothing that appeals to us on the lot. I'd rather have a Grand Cherokee than an X5 if we had the space in our garage which sadly we don't. Of course, I would far prefer a Tesla to any German full-size sedan or SUV which is why I'm having a hard time letting going of my deposit.
post #20242 of 26272
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post

This is the greatest con in recent years.  Take a hatchback, jack it up, say it's a crossover, and sell it for a lot more money.  We looked at 3 X1s at some point last year and it seems all the lease loaners we looked at were base models without any frills.  People buying for the badge alone.

There was a macan s sitting in my building's driveway when I got home last night. That's exactly what I thought when I saw it.

Thing is so small...I don't get it. It really is just a hatchback with a lift kit.
post #20243 of 26272
In all fairness, I have another chance to take a jab at the VW/Audi/Porsche group.

The greatest con in recent years was hoping that no one would notice that your car would pass emissions on a cheat based on wheel speed differences in a controlled environment.
post #20244 of 26272
So the Town and Country just got rear-ended last Sunday - waiting to find out if it was totalled. It was a piece of crap anyway, so we are going to move on. Carrying 4 kids in seats regularly so we are talking lots of seating.

Shortlist right now is:
  • Mercedes GLS - haven't been in one; older platform; worried about space in third row and in cargo
  • Volvo XC90 - haven't been in one; worried about space in third row and in cargo; but that interior redefines the class
  • Honda Odyssey - we are renting one now; much better driving than I was expecting; but road noise is brutal; still better than the T&C
  • Toyota Sienna - need to drive one; heard it is quiet but not that great to drive
  • Kia Sedona - may be the compromise between the above two; third row room is tight?
  • Tesla S - driven these a bunch; may not be able to get one in time; interiors are shit

Anyway, it is a pretty boring list of cars, but that is fine. I don't give a fuck what other people think, so minivans are fine - my dick is big enough. Right now the Odyssey is looking pretty good, but a new model is due next year, so I might just buy something cheap right now and then get the new one next year.
post #20245 of 26272
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

My mistake about the Q3.  What about the Lexus RX?  Seems that is the $600/mo range fully loaded. 

Not SF approved.
post #20246 of 26272
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Originally Posted by akatsuki View Post

So the Town and Country just got rear-ended last Sunday - waiting to find out if it was totalled. It was a piece of crap anyway, so we are going to move on. Carrying 4 kids in seats regularly so we are talking lots of seating.

Shortlist right now is:
  • Mercedes GLS - haven't been in one; older platform; worried about space in third row and in cargo
  • Volvo XC90 - haven't been in one; worried about space in third row and in cargo; but that interior redefines the class
  • Honda Odyssey - we are renting one now; much better driving than I was expecting; but road noise is brutal; still better than the T&C
  • Toyota Sienna - need to drive one; heard it is quiet but not that great to drive
  • Kia Sedona - may be the compromise between the above two; third row room is tight?
  • Tesla S - driven these a bunch; may not be able to get one in time; interiors are shit

Anyway, it is a pretty boring list of cars, but that is fine. I don't give a fuck what other people think, so minivans are fine - my dick is big enough. Right now the Odyssey is looking pretty good, but a new model is due next year, so I might just buy something cheap right now and then get the new one next year.

 

Relevant:
 

http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/toyota-sienna-r-tuned-and-s-tuned-concepts-first-drive

post #20247 of 26272
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Not SF approved.

 

Are only German cars or the Tesla SF approved?

post #20248 of 26272

This thread wasn't nicknamed the BMW BJ club for nothin'.

post #20249 of 26272
Unmolested by mods High mileage car with a turbo... Bad idea?

How much should one expect to pay a mechanic to look over a car pre offer? How does one find such a mechanic if one isn't a local?
post #20250 of 26272
This thread is filled with just randomness.

I want to cross shop the McLaren P1 with a Ford Fusion. I have 2 kids and want to have fun on the weekends and have a budget.

Suggestions?
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