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post #19996 of 26310
So I had the i8 for a bit.

In a vacuum, it's a nice futuristic looking car. Interior is at the level of the current X5, M cars and the 7. Performance was okay, but I'd hardly consider it earth shattering for the price. Real world gas mileage didn't seem great since the gasoline motor pretty much always has to be on. As a disclaimer, I only had it for about an hour - they said we have to keep the miles low because this is our demo car (I'd sorta planned my day around it and they told me that after I arrived).

The design is eye catching, but overdone for what this car is. It's pretty wide and visibility (rear and side to some extent) aren't great.

My biggest problem with the car was how BMW puts it up on a pedestal. A BMW guy was with me the entire time, and they were acting like they couldn't keep them in stock - when the opposite is true, there were 6 there when I went. GT3 RS's are going for twice sticker and Porsche is actually moving those.

Also, they asked me if I'd driven an electric car and not to be a douche, I said I've driven the i3 and have an M4. They said you won't be ready for the torque and they kept implying that it was some supercar when the M4 is faster 0-60 and faster overall. After they mentioned that's why they don't let HS kids joyride in one (I'm 32, which they knew - it was an immaterial point), I had to mention I had a P85D after they went on and on in treating me like a moronic kid.

I've had the same thing at another BMW dealership and it only happens for the i8. They let me test drive an ~118k 7 (a more typical 15 min around the block thing) no questions asked besides the usual insurance/license.

At the end of the day, it occupies no mans land imo - it can't touch gasoline cars in performance - the R8, 991 GTSes, etc. and it can't touch the top 3 Model Ses in range or performance.

I wanted to like the car when it came out, but BMW just produced an overhyped hybrid with some neat stuff like the CFRP chases, elements of which are trickling down their product line.
post #19997 of 26310
Did you ask them why they made it so hard to get in and out of the damn thing?
post #19998 of 26310
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Did you ask them why they made it so hard to get in and out of the damn thing?

I did when I was at the Welt about 18 months ago. The response was a decidedly German (jovial and succinct) 'it's for the design'. In all fairness most fast cars sit more go karty. If you tack on a fancy door design - well don't tack on a fancy door design unless you're McLaren-like level performance.

I could've let it go back then and now if it didn't have two rear seats as well. Getting into/out out of sitting in the rears is as comfortable and awkward as making a telephone booth your primary place of residence.

At least Porsche has a historical reason for leaving in the rear seats on the non-GT 911s.

Smh.
post #19999 of 26310
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At least Porsche has a historical reason for leaving in the rear seats on the non-GT 911s.

Smh.

What's the reason?

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post #20000 of 26310
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What's the reason?

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That's a really long story. At a very high level, Porsche had a really interesting time after WWII (that alone is a few pages worth of posts, war crime charges, yada yada) and finding an identity was important. They went into racing and also producing a weekend a family car. In some ways, Auto Union/Audi, BMW with the New Class, Mercedes, Ferrari also had to do it in different directions.

There were/are several interesting phases of automotive development:
  • The first was around the roaring 20s into the WWII
  • The second was after WWII, where nearly every company was finding an identity
    - In addition to the above German/Italian companies, was Honda a motorcycle/tiny car maker or did it have bigger ambitions, and in America, so many open roads modeled on, ironically what originated in Germany, what is a muscle car?
  • I think there were some other small transitions - safety, oil crisis/economy, electronics
  • And now, we obviously have a third one with electrification starting with the EV1, the Prius, Tesla and whatever comes next

I list those things because they fundamentally rocked the boat from Karl Benz to Elon Musk

To the point of the 911, really long history short - it'll be a 2+2 GT car for Porsche with a rear mounted engine that goes back more than half a century, in large part because of that consistency in a car that had a large point in defining Porsche all those years back. (I also realize what their actual current GT division does from what they'd call generally road going 911s - you see huge premiums on the GT3 RS, not so much a Turbo)

It is what it is. There are several books/online resources on that, you can PM me or Google for that.
post #20001 of 26310

Which one of you bought the new Aston Martin Vulcan?

 

http://www.slashgear.com/watch-2-4-million-aston-martin-vulcans-fiery-wrath-27424553/

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Which one of you bought the new Aston Martin Vulcan?

http://www.slashgear.com/watch-2-4-million-aston-martin-vulcans-fiery-wrath-27424553/

One-77 successor? Expect to see all of them in the middle east?
post #20003 of 26310
I'd really like to keep my purchases more low profile. Could you please take down your post?

Thanks.
post #20004 of 26310
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I'd really like to keep my purchases more low profile. Could you please take down your post?

Thanks.

Umm - you bring the attention on yourself. I was at Monaco the other day on my Feadship and I heard you rumbling down in your Aventador (I know that's your boring car), but still man, I was just sipping on some wine and enjoying the company of a couple of women.
post #20005 of 26310

http://petrolicious.com/what-do-you-think-of-porsche-s-new-718-boxster New promo pics and video for the 718

post #20006 of 26310
A four banger? Do. Not. Want.
post #20007 of 26310
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A four banger? Do. Not. Want.

I'm sure based on everything I've read on the internet which was based on what other people had read on the internet based on what other people had read on the internet, it'll suck.

Seriously, this was a pretty well known secret for awhile.

Can we actually judge a car on what it is?
post #20008 of 26310
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I'm sure based on everything I've read on the internet which was based on what other people had read on the internet based on what other people had read on the internet, it'll suck.

Seriously, this was a pretty well known secret for awhile.

Can we actually judge a car on what it is?

Based on exhaust note examples in that clip, it fails the dat exhaust test.

That and the exterior design is meh.

I'll stick to my 918, thank you very much.
post #20009 of 26310
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Based on exhaust note examples in that clip, it fails the dat exhaust test.

That and the exterior design is meh.

I'll stick to my 918, thank you very much.

YouTube to laptop speakers really captures the experience of driving a car IMHO.
post #20010 of 26310
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YouTube to laptop speakers really captures the experience of driving a car IMHO.

Yeah, you like my armchair bucket seat analysis?
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