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post #19291 of 26289

If that is how you enjoy your car, more power to you. Glad you have a good experience with your GS350 (those, 400 and 430 are the good ones, 300 are slow) some of us accept that cars are not perfect off the shelf, and seek to make them so.

post #19292 of 26289
So besides the engine, which i agree is a good engine, what's the difference between the JDM Aristo and the USDM GS300? Is it less weight, LSD, different suspension and steering rack? Because that's what it would need to be even decent, in my opinion. Putting in a TT motor would just make it fast in a straight line, but still bad overall.
post #19293 of 26289

The only time I have wanted a Lexus was after seeing the movie "The Omen" where the lead character drives the crap out of a mid-2000s GS430.  Other than that I have not had must interest in owning one though they are a comfortable ride.

 

Real Estate agents love driving the Lexus ES.

post #19294 of 26289
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

So besides the engine, which i agree is a good engine, what's the difference between the JDM Aristo and the USDM GS300? Is it less weight, LSD, different suspension and steering rack? Because that's what it would need to be even decent, in my opinion. Putting in a TT motor would just make it fast in a straight line, but still bad overall.


the V300 is the performance market model. so, stiffer suspension, (often swapped for coilovers/stiffer sway bars anyway) factory LSD, never heard a complaint about steering response from them. the V300 "Vertex Edition" is the one to get, but the rear steering, ala "Hicas" on a Nissan needs to go. basically, just put in a Manual box, and they are unlocked. with all Toyota's best bits fitting in.  they are a true performance sedan. i guess There, they are sold as a Luxury car, so they get softened up for ride smoothness.

 

Crown Athlete?  same deal.

 

 

- ES are Poo. luxury Camry.

post #19295 of 26289
I don't want to trash it too much. The argument was whether they were more exciting to drive, which I disagree with.

They have great reliability and customer service, and they make a luxury product that a lot of people appreciate
post #19296 of 26289

I respect your Opinion, after all, we are all limited by our personal experience.:fistbump:

 

i only state that even though there is a huge market for European cars here,a majority of dudes who like to do track days, or wrench on their own car, will go Toyota for easily customizable big sedan punch. with the ability to tear it up for a lot less of a monetary input.  as we can all agree, Quality. which is why i said i couldn't justify a 335 over one, for reasons you now understand.

 

different worlds, different takes. same hobby, discussion is healthy.

post #19297 of 26289
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post


You see, I live in Japan. and am formerly a technician in a Euro car specialist. and have seen my share of both sides.  The Lexus brand is like the scraps of Toyota. myself recently selling an Altezza /IS200 1 month ago. with the Yamaha built 3SGE "Beams" engine with upgrades to suspension, tires, and other performance parts.




The Aristo V300 are a wolf in sheep's clothing. my friend daily's one. they just require the usual mods, of Suspension, MT, and LSD. plus whatever you feel. potential+ dollar value? smart money is on making reliability fast, not fast reliable.  so the GS300 presents a softer, albeit identical base to start with. they DO Decimate all. and are one of the most popular cars for people to mod with 4 doors. 400+hp is a given with a little money thrown at it. the MT's are $$$$$$$

and the car above? had roasted many a 330, and A6 Driving to work. only losing to a Toyota Chaser, and an EVO7. -Decently quick, but limited. now sold for something with longer legs.devil.gif

Adding an MT and an LSD are hardly 'usual mods'.
post #19298 of 26289
As a JDM fan and Supra TT owner I want to agree with you but you're doing apples to oranges with the Aristo v. 3 series. The Aristo/GS is not a particularly exciting car to drive, even after having driven my friends 2JZ swapped 67mm turbo 500hp GS that he's now 1GZ swapping. The power was wonderful but it's hardly a driver's car. No reasonable manual trans option. The IS300/Altezza makes a better contender. If I were deciding between an E46 3 series and an IS300 I'd likely go with the IS300 (though I like the ZHP 330 a lot).

Also please change your avatar - there is only one Vader avatar'd JDM enthusiast allowed around these parts.
post #19299 of 26289
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Originally Posted by Thrift Vader View Post

If that is how you enjoy your car, more power to you. Glad you have a good experience with your GS350 (those, 400 and 430 are the good ones, 300 are slow) some of us accept that cars are not perfect off the shelf, and seek to make them so.

I guess my point is, why the GS or similar to mod out. You make a good case, but I wouldn't consider that a terribly common thing for people to do. Among nodding communities, sure, but I don't even think most car people are doing so either.
post #19300 of 26289
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Originally Posted by brokencycle View Post

I guess my point is, why the GS or similar to mod out. You make a good case, but I wouldn't consider that a terribly common thing for people to do. Among nodding communities, sure, but I don't even think most car people are doing so either.

The GS is a popular mod platform because of the 2JZ engine which can hold 600hp/tq without needing to open up the engine to replace rods, pistons, etc. It was significantly overbuilt from the factory.

Edit: to your point, yes, 99% of US Lexus owners don't know or care to know how to change their oil, let alone modify their car. It's common in the mod-scene but not in a general sense.
post #19301 of 26289
Can you point out any mods for the current GS that add dyno verified power? I used to keep a list of all mods available for the current gen and there were potentially two super chargers that might have been modified to work but almost nothing.

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Originally Posted by horndog View Post

The GS is a popular mod platform because of the 2JZ engine which can hold 600hp/tq without needing to open up the engine to replace rods, pistons, etc. It was significantly overbuilt from the factory.

Edit: to your point, yes, 99% of US Lexus owners don't know or care to know how to change their oil, let alone modify their car. It's common in the mod-scene but not in a general sense.
post #19302 of 26289
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Originally Posted by akatsuki View Post

Can you point out any mods for the current GS that add dyno verified power? I used to keep a list of all mods available for the current gen and there were potentially two super chargers that might have been modified to work but almost nothing.

I'm not totally literate on mods for the newest GS platform but the V6s use the 2GR-FSE. I see an HKS supercharger, TOM's supercharger... but my inkling is that these probably just work with the JDM versions.
post #19303 of 26289
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Originally Posted by ramuman View Post


Adding an MT and an LSD are hardly 'usual mods'.

Actually? Yes, they are the usual mods. and also a must when looking to track/Drift almost any factory AT car. and considering it only takes a matter of hours in the right hands? A Manual swap is not such a difficult task.

 

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Originally Posted by horndog View Post

As a JDM fan and Supra TT owner I want to agree with you but you're doing apples to oranges with the Aristo v. 3 series. The Aristo/GS is not a particularly exciting car to drive, even after having driven my friends 2JZ swapped 67mm turbo 500hp GS that he's now 1GZ swapping. The power was wonderful but it's hardly a driver's car. No reasonable manual trans option. The IS300/Altezza makes a better contender. If I were deciding between an E46 3 series and an IS300 I'd likely go with the IS300 (though I like the ZHP 330 a lot).

Also please change your avatar - there is only one Vader avatar'd JDM enthusiast allowed around these parts.

as a JDM Mechanic/locally known car fiend and street racer, not a fan. you are right, they are like apples and oranges. with the 3-series being the lesser option. because frankly? whatever the Germans can do? The Japanese can do better. albeit without the penis extension factor.

 

Though in regards to transmissions? i have to disagree. there are some great options out there for the Aristo, sharing parts with Chaser's, Crown Athletes, and Supra's. The Altezza does not easily present itself as a big power chassis, although they handle really well, the 6spd mission is the same as a S15 Silvia. and are notoriously weak. setting one up with the right engine and trans is simply more of an undertaking. which is why i sold mine.

 

 

:spew:You are dreaming, I am Thrift Vader. The dark lord of all things JDM Streetwear and Performance Cars.;) 


Edited by Thrift Vader - 12/2/15 at 5:09am
post #19304 of 26289
You have an enviable position living in car Mecca, Japan, where willingness, skilled mechanics, and parts availability to mod basic Japanese cars is higher. Car worship is not so strong around here.

Do let me know if you ever come across a C's short-shift kit for a MKIV.
post #19305 of 26289

Forgive me for coming across as a Biased asshole. 

I am however, quite confident in my knowledge, and able to back up my position in discussions with better than " i paid more, so my car has to be better", or "it's new, or crap". 

-A stance some members have taken which brings out the heat.   Being a knowledgeable guy, with a lot more than a mere toe dipping into what can be achieved with research, and the right attitude, you surely understand where i am coming from.

 

I only look at cars from the perspective of a Mechanic, and judge on a money in vs enjoyment/performance criteria.

 

no luck with the particular shifter you mentioned. but i can ask about it when i pick up some HKS bits this week. :D

did find this though. a 100% JDM style short shifter:

http://yahoo.aleado.com/lot?auctionID=o111596854

a good little upgrade for the cost.

 

Will let you know if any other options pop up.

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