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post #19201 of 26274
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Originally Posted by jbarwick View Post
 

So we went and looked at some cars today and I am having trouble answering a couple of questions.  At what point should you add CPO cars into the mix with new cars?  For instance, most VWs might as well be purchased new since they are usually in the $20K to low 30s but at what point does CPO make sense?  If buying CPO, what are the miles worth?  For instance, Car A is $50K brand new, but CPO with 20K miles, what discount makes sense for that CPO car?  Annual payments * mileage driven per year = Discount? Example: PMT of $500/mo or $6K/year and 10,000 miles per year so $12K discount?  A $500/mo car payment is just an estimate.  Maintenance isn't really a decision point unless it needs some horribly expensive service early in its life.

 

To me it really comes down to what you are really after and the particular brand's CPO program.  Some CPOs offer almost nothing over used (some give you maintenance and new car financing).  I don't think I'd ever buy a new car: if I'm going new, I would probably stick to a lease (which is what I did with my VW).

 

The other thing is I've noticed CPO cars that are almost the same price as brand new.  Is a shorter warranty worth $1k?  What if it is $5 or $6k?

My next car will probably be a CPO, but who knows.

post #19202 of 26274
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Originally Posted by mike1445 View Post

Stop "dat"

sorry brah but dat's gonna be a nuh uh, no 2 ways about it.
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The new GTIs are worth it with the Performance Package.  I guess I am overthinking it a bit.  Hell all the interest rates we are looking at are Sub-2%.  Gotta get in a new car before Yellen decides to raise rates!  

in that case, you better buy one before the december meeting!
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sadly, no. Has to be a household car, and teh wife is short, so stick shifts are out. Even a 2-door is stretching it since every 2-3 months we visit relatives (so me + wife + her sis + our bid dog + sis' little dog).


and the dog is why the R8 is out. The dog, plus maintenance, winter ability, storage, insurance costs, etc. Basically everything.

but I still want one.

automatic R8 is a non-starter for sure -- did it even have the DSG at that point? I think it was the single clutch or maybe even a slushbox, i forget.

as for your reasons, I would say that its winter ability would be a plus for the r8 nod[1].gif
post #19203 of 26274
CPO are always a legit option vs. new, unless you lease or absolutely have to have a 'virgin'. The issue I have is the ridiculous prices that dealers ask for CPO cars. 5-7% off sticker for a 1-2 year old car is stupid even with the low miles and extended warranty. CPO isn't a magic depreciation eraser.

For the right price it's a fantastic deal. The best is to find a reasonable private seller who just started his or her CPO term, since the warranties are usually transferable.

Also, a Porsche dealer told me that they would offer CPO on any car in their inventory (that met the miles/age requirements) for $3k. Seems like CPO is basically an inspection+reconditioning+extended warranty. The first two of which I suspect they're supposed to do on every used car they take into inventory anyway.
post #19204 of 26274
Great advice @HRoi. I just bought a BMW from a private dealer. When I had my service guy at the BMW dealership check the vin, I saw where it had just come off CPO and all services were done. So I snapped it up and added a 100k mile extended warranty to it. My 2003 BMW it replaced was the same way. I have never had an extended that didn't pay for itself 5 times over. Btw generally CPO stays with the car regardless of owner. So if you buy one outside the dealer, you're automatically covered for the remaining term. Always check the vin because some folks don't know they have them. For example auction cars may be CPO but you have to check for yourself.
Edited by pravda - 11/22/15 at 4:59am
post #19205 of 26274
With BMW, an ED is the way to go in lieu of a CPO. Essentially the same or cheaper price than a CPO. I've had friends literally just fly over, drive the car in a loop for a day and fly back and come out ahead. Porsche doesn't offer a discount, but I believe several other European car companies do on cars made there.
post #19206 of 26274
Can you even do ED on a VW?

I don't think jbrahwick is looking at bmws or Porsches...
post #19207 of 26274

A 3-series is too small to be usable with a car seat in back.  This also goes for C-class, Audi A's, Jetta's, and the like.  I agree that the CPO program depends on the brand where some just have them to jack up the price.  I looked for CPO GTIs before I got mine new and a 1 year old car was $1,500 less than the same car new.  We are pretty sure we are getting a Subaru Outback as it ticks all the right boxes in something I want.  While not sporty, it will haul a car seat fine and our dogs when we travel.  Wagon selections are few and far between.  The Volvo premium was not worth it in my wife's eyes which shocked me.

 

Other brands and cars I looked into were Mazda, Ford, MB, BMW, Volvo, and Nissan.  The closest contenders were the Mazda CX line and a CPO MB E-Class.  CPO Subaru selection is small and are very close to new car pricing.

 

I really want to like the VW Passat as the value for car size is there, it is just not something I would want to wake up and drive.   Golf Sportwagon?  Suffers from small back seats. 

 

I feel like I am missing some wagon out there in the $30K range that is a real value.  I like the seating position of the Outback as it is not as high as SUVs but that may just be perception compared to reality.

 

As for ED, I have never heard of that before.  I will have to look into it.

post #19208 of 26274
If a family is to have only one, the Outback would be a very logical candidate. We have one, and have suffered no regrets. My mom has two (the smaller engine for the summer house), and my dad has one for when he needs practical transport not available from the 280SL.

The 3 series GT might also be OK if you need that sort of thing. Never driven one, but it has oodles of room in the back seat, and it sits a tad higher than the standard wagon.
post #19209 of 26274
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

sadly, no. Has to be a household car, and teh wife is short, so stick shifts are out. Even a 2-door is stretching it since every 2-3 months we visit relatives (so me + wife + her sis + our bid dog + sis' little dog).


and the dog is why the R8 is out. The dog, plus maintenance, winter ability, storage, insurance costs, etc. Basically everything.

but I still want one.

You need an Audi wagon.
post #19210 of 26274
Tell Audi to import the A6 Avant, and that could be interesting. It won't be until next year that the A4 family gets any legroom in back.
post #19211 of 26274
The A6 is smaller on the inside than an E class and is essentially smaller than the Passat.

The Fusion/Mondeo competes year after year against the Passat for the award as best family car.

How about S-Max, Sharan, Touran.
post #19212 of 26274
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

sadly, no. Has to be a household car, and teh wife is short, so stick shifts are out. Even a 2-door is stretching it since every 2-3 months we visit relatives (so me + wife + her sis + our bid dog + sis' little dog).


and the dog is why the R8 is out. The dog, plus maintenance, winter ability, storage, insurance costs, etc. Basically everything.

but I still want one.

You need an Audi wagon.

can't, there's already 2 Allroads that are always parked on my block.
post #19213 of 26274
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

The A6 is smaller on the inside than an E class and is essentially smaller than the Passat.

The Fusion/Mondeo competes year after year against the Passat for the award as best family car.

How about S-Max, Sharan, Touran.
None sold in US-- even the wagon versions of Passat and Fusion.
post #19214 of 26274

America hates the term station wagon so we get stuck with shitty compromised crossover things.  

 

Deposit is down for an Outback in dark gray with black interior.  Should be delivered some time in December.  The other option was green metallic with beige interior.  I forgot what a pain dealership finance people can be.

post #19215 of 26274
^ also why we hate minivans but buy them in bulk when they're rebranded as "SUV's" lol8[1].gif
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