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post #10981 of 14732
bmws are junk man so many problems with mine it's not even funny

problem is there's nothing i want except a 997 gt3 in black dumped

tesla gets a free pass in hov lane in ca where older priuses no longer do
post #10982 of 14732
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Between Mrs. Piob and me a collective twelve years of MB driving in the last six years. Not a single issue.
My previous two MB's had more than their share of issues, particularly the last one. I've had my current one for a year and a half without a single issue whatsoever. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #10983 of 14732
Went out for a cruise while the sun was setting.

Hot, but dry and tolerable; didn't sweat with the windows down.

God I love driving, but I need to find some better driving roads around here.
post #10984 of 14732
i'm not a big enough asshole yet to drive a bmw
post #10985 of 14732
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post

i'm not a big enough asshole yet to drive a bmw

Please, don't underestimate yourself.
post #10986 of 14732
If you drive an audi chances are you are at the top of the asshole hierarchy these days.
post #10987 of 14732
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

bmws are junk man so many problems with mine it's not even funny

problem is there's nothing i want except a 997 gt3 in black dumped

tesla gets a free pass in hov lane in ca where older priuses no longer do

Which model and what year?
post #10988 of 14732
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If you drive an audi chances are you are at the top of the asshole hierarchy these days.

Be aware. A KKK member is saying blacks suck.
post #10989 of 14732
what does that even mean?
post #10990 of 14732
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Between Mrs. Piob and me a collective twelve years of MB driving in the last six years. Not a single issue.
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Originally Posted by JayJay View Post

My previous two MB's had more than their share of issues, particularly the last one. I've had my current one for a year and a half without a single issue whatsoever. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

I think both of these comments speak to initial quality (or in jayjay's case lack thereof). The concern I have with German cars is owning them outside the warranty period and facing extremely steep maintenance for both consumables and things that should never break but do in German cars. Maybe it's because they try to squeeze too much performance out of their powertrain, who knows.

By anecdotal comparison, my wife and I have had almost no powertrain issues after about 225k combined miles on two older cars - one Japanese sedan and one Amurrican SUV. We have had our fair share of maintenance, primarily typical consumables plus emissions related - oxygen sensors and the like, but never anything transmission or engine related. Probably 5 or 6k total maintenance over the years including tires and brakes. German cars seem to have high pressure fuel pumps that disintegrate or other items which are either design defects or otherwise under engineered parts (plastic where you would expect metal given the stress the parts are under) which leads to significant expense after the warranty expires.

I've had zero issues with my 2012 MB after 18k miles, fwiw but have very little interest in owning a German car (except a Porsche because as Hroi points out, they are built to last) whereas the rest all seem built to lease.
post #10991 of 14732
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post

what does that even mean?

Me thinks it's an audi bmw hate thing.
post #10992 of 14732
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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post


I think both of these comments speak to initial quality (or in jayjay's case lack thereof). The concern I have with German cars is owning them outside the warranty period and facing extremely steep maintenance for both consumables and things that should never break but do in German cars. Maybe it's because they try to squeeze too much performance out of their powertrain, who knows.

By anecdotal comparison, my wife and I have had almost no powertrain issues after about 225k combined miles on two older cars - one Japanese sedan and one Amurrican SUV. We have had our fair share of maintenance, primarily typical consumables plus emissions related - oxygen sensors and the like, but never anything transmission or engine related. Probably 5 or 6k total maintenance over the years including tires and brakes. German cars seem to have high pressure fuel pumps that disintegrate or other items which are either design defects or otherwise under engineered parts (plastic where you would expect metal given the stress the parts are under) which leads to significant expense after the warranty expires.

I've had zero issues with my 2012 MB after 18k miles, fwiw but have very little interest in owning a German car (except a Porsche because as Hroi points out, they are built to last) whereas the rest all seem built to lease.
this is a fair point, and i am interested in hearing about out-of-warranty quality as well. Mercedes' poor post-2K reputation seems to be priced into their residuals, where depreciation hits hard early and continues to kill MB owners to the point that you can get 8-10 year old Benzes that retailed for $180-200k for the price of a slightly used Accord these days. but who cares about that if you're a lessee, i guess.
post #10993 of 14732
yeah i am glad i paid for the 7 yr/70k warranty. the ac alone would have been a $1600 fix.
post #10994 of 14732
Yeah, I have no plans to actually own an expensive vehicle by any maker at this point. I have our lease payments in our budget, bumper to bumper warranty, complimentary MB loaners if needed. Given our busy lives it's the perfect solution.

Since Mrs. Piob refused to drive a pick up for any reason, if I did buy a third vehicle just to have a spare and something for utility purposes, it would probably be a Honda Pilot or Toyota 4Runner.
post #10995 of 14732
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Yeah, I have no plans to actually own an expensive vehicle by any maker at this point. I have our lease payments in our budget, bumper to bumper warranty, complimentary MB loaners if needed. Given our busy lives it's the perfect solution.

Ferrari has free service or maintenance on all cars sold after a certain date (2012). mwink[1].gif
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