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post #10711 of 15743
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Originally Posted by David23 View Post

Having extensive time with all 4 gens, my rank would be E46>E30>E9X>E36. Tough to rank them really. 

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Oh well, like you say, they are hard to compare over the years.
post #10712 of 15743
Also, the U.S. spec E36 was dumbed down and noticeably slower than its Euro counterpart.
post #10713 of 15743
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Also, the U.S. spec E36 was dumbed down and noticeably slower than its Euro counterpart.

More torque, A LOT less hp (320 vs 240), can't say it's a boring car at 240hp though
post #10714 of 15743
That's funny, I had a conversation with two E36 enthusiasts just last night and they went on and on about the euro spec E36 M3. I had no idea how badly BMW neutered the US spec. 320hp to 240 is a cock punch. And we're talking 90s cars. A euro spec M3 must have been a road going murder weapon 20 years ago.
post #10715 of 15743
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Originally Posted by horndog View Post

That's funny, I had a conversation with two E36 enthusiasts just last night and they went on and on about the euro spec E36 M3. I had no idea how badly BMW neutered the US spec. 320hp to 240 is a cock punch. And we're talking 90s cars. A euro spec M3 must have been a road going murder weapon 20 years ago.

Original EU spec has 280hp, then it has 320 hp on the last 2 years? The US one is just different engine, not detune
post #10716 of 15743
The funny thing is that even the castrated US spec was still the best sports 4-seater by quite a margin. M3 enthusiasts in the States have gotten shafted with every generation - no E30 Evo, 240 hp E36, no E46 CSL, no E92 GTS.

Not totally BMW's fault but it still sucks
post #10717 of 15743
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Originally Posted by clee1982 View Post


More torque, A LOT less hp (320 vs 240), can't say it's a boring car at 240hp though


The US E36 M3 didn't really have a "M" motor but was actually just a slightly bored out 328 motor. Less hp, less torque, 1 less gear, smaller airbox, missing oil cooler, different brakes, different suspension.  The only reason 0-60 times were close was because the US had different gearing.

post #10718 of 15743

If you guys are interested in the differences between the US E36 M3 and Euro version, take a look here. Completely different cars, so the link saves me the time writing up the engine differences. lol

 

E36 M3 3.0

http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=14

 

E36 M3 3.2

http://www.bmwmregistry.com/model_faq.php?id=15

 

 

 

It's a shame we never got the E46 M3 CSL. Will go down in history as the best M3 ever and I expect the value to increase over time. True collectors car.  

post #10719 of 15743
Still would take an E46 M3 CSL over the E92 GTS....biggrin.gif
post #10720 of 15743
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Originally Posted by rocks View Post

Still would take an E46 M3 CSL over the E92 GTS....biggrin.gif

To me, the chief selling point of the M3 is that it's a practical sports car, so it makes a lot of sense when fairly new. If I were buying a couple of generations old, like the E36 and E46, I'd go with the Z3 Coupe or Z4 M Coupe (again - I had one). No need to compromise if it's going to be an occasional toy.
post #10721 of 15743
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Originally Posted by poorsod View Post

Saw this on the street in East Hampton this weekend. License plate suggested that this was a 1966.








If that is real, it's rare as shit - only 14 made:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_365
post #10722 of 15743
Definitely real. Definitely rare. Great spot!
post #10723 of 15743
Given that I saw it in East Hampton, I think it is reasonable to expect that it is bona fide.

I'm not sure if you can tell from the picture but the interior is absolutely luxurious.
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Would like to add the BMW 1M is also amazing. Believe value is already rising. 

post #10725 of 15743
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Originally Posted by David23 View Post

Would like to add the BMW 1M is also amazing. Believe value is already rising. 


1M value is rising?

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