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Originally Posted by Blackhood View Post

I suspect that fact is true for any high-end car maker. Expensive cars tend to be better maintained, when they go wrong they are likely to be repaired, and over the course of their life will generally be more pampered. Even when they get worn right down they will be sold on to people who want a beater-track-car instead of sold for scrap. Not to mention the fact that mass production (in the tens of thousands of cars per year range) has only been available recently, and well within a cars lifespan. See if they can still claim that after churning out 100,000 cars a year for 100 years.

I would venture that the likes of Rolls Royce and Bentley could probably claim number into the 80's or 90's.
i think that is all true to a large extent, and spot on about Rolls - i think they said their number was three out of every four.

but you still need to have a very strong platform for reliability if you want 70%+ of your cars to last as long as 50 years. i would be shocked, for example, if Jaguar could make the same claim - a marque with well-documented struggles with reliability over the years.also, Porsche has made over 800,000 copies of the 911 alone...to have that many cars unaffected by sheer attrition is pretty impressive
post #10517 of 14744
Porsche says it sold the 250,000th 911 in 1987 and I read somewhere they've over 820,000 at this point - so 70% of 911s have been sold since 1987. Combine that with all the more recent boxsters and cayenne's, etc. which are more recent. 70% is still impressive. Would be interesting to see what percentage of suburbans or Ford F150s are still on the road. Or Geo Metros.
post #10518 of 14744
i need to get caught up on my Top Gear, just started series 20. i enjoyed watching Tywin Lannister go around the track in the new RPC
post #10519 of 14744
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

How the hell did you miss that, it's been all over the news for over the last year, Portuguese is at the same level if not worse.

I can't remember if it was in one area or the entire country, but the last half of 2012 only one new production company / factory opened.

Nowhere near as bad in Portugal. You need to consider the scales of the economy. Spain was in a construction boom, funded partly by huge amounts of EU money. Portugal has, what, 20% of Spain's landmass and economy?



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Originally Posted by culverwood View Post

Did you see the program. Empty towns, bankrupt international airport for test track, ghost town for road race, road to nowhere. We have a place in Spain but as it is away from the worst problems some of this was a revelation to me.

I would have taken the McLaren tthough

Ditto. That McLaren is a really special machine.

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Interesting factoid posted on Porsche's Facebook page today:

Did you know that over 70 percent of all Porsche vehicles ever built are still on the road today?

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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post


I don't believe that, at least half of the cars build before esp, are wrapped around trees around the world.

Its believable. Those cars are so over-engineered that they cannot help but survive.

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Originally Posted by UnFacconable View Post

Porsche says it sold the 250,000th 911 in 1987 and I read somewhere they've over 820,000 at this point - so 70% of 911s have been sold since 1987. Combine that with all the more recent boxsters and cayenne's, etc. which are more recent. 70% is still impressive.

This. Most of Porsche's cars were built recently.
post #10520 of 14744
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Nowhere near as bad in Portugal. You need to consider the scales of the economy. Spain was in a construction boom, funded partly by huge amounts of EU money. Portugal has, what, 20% of Spain's landmass and economy?

Its believable. Those cars are so over-engineered that they cannot help but survive.

The starting point doesn't really affect the end point, as you don't need to be high up, to hit the grown hard, most of southern Europe was hit very hard by the crisis Cyprus and Greece, are the two worst.

I know southern spain had a(two) construction boom(s) from the late 90's and forward, mostly fueled by money hungry foreign investors and corruption, which has lead to a series of bankruptcies and imprisonments, but if you build before having sold to brake even, it's your own damn fault, to be honest.

Some parts of Italy isn't much better than Spain, youth unemployment is around 50% and large number of Italian don't pay taxes, as they can't afford it due to the cost of living and low wages.


The Porsche thing was a joke, I'm well aware of the fact, that they last, but even though the older models have hit the cannibal stage and people have begun to brake cars, to get parts.

It was mentioned somewhere a while back, that I think upwards of 90% of all LR's build are stilling running.
post #10521 of 14744
How do they figure stats for "still on the road" or "still running"? If they're titled, insured?
post #10522 of 14744
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Got to do some test driving yesterday for some preliminary research. Drove a Q5 premium plus, a GLK350, and a ML350. The ML350 was definitely the nicest although more pricey. The audi is sportier but not as many features. Sales associate at the MB dealer was a lot nicer to deal with, too. Wouldn't be surprised if I end up in one soon.

Gort, go check out the RX350 F-sport. It's at least worth a consideration.
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Originally Posted by horndog View Post

How do they figure stats for "still on the road" or "still running"? If they're titled, insured?

In the UK at least a car must be either taxed, declared Off Road or registered as broken down for scrap. Although this is a scheme to catch people avoiding tax, it would be an elegant way of working out how many of each car was destroyed that year.
post #10524 of 14744
I have this image right now of all those old Rolls Royce and Bentley "still on the road" but sitting in a garage with a 5k€ price tag on them.
post #10525 of 14744
I've seen a couple CLA's now and I must say, it's a very good looking little car.
post #10526 of 14744
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Originally Posted by Blackhood View Post

I would venture that the likes of Rolls Royce and Bentley could probably claim number into the 80's or 90's.

Last I heard, it was around 80%. Same deal as mentioned before, though - RR has had numerous years where they sold fewer than 1000 cars. BMW sold more Phantoms the first year than the company sold in the previous decade across the entire model range.

I'd say Ferrari and Lamborghini can quote similar survival rates.
post #10527 of 14744
I was going to mention Ferarri and Lamborghini but it occurred to me that there could be quite a high rate of people crashing them, taking them off the road but not at the fault of the manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

I've seen a couple CLA's now and I must say, it's a very good looking little car.
I'm anxious to see one. Looks good in pics.
post #10529 of 14744
I saw a silver one in full amg trim yesterday. inlove.gif
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