Originally Posted by mafoofan
The G-class is supposed
to be a land barge. You buy it for it's offroad ability and build quality, and accept compromises to comfort, drivability, spacing, etc.
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The 6-series, along with all other current BMWs, reflect significant divergences from what has made BMW a great, distinct maker. They have gotten too heavy and large. So, even as power has increased proportionately, driving dynamics have suffered. Yes, the new cars are faster, but the key is that they no longer feel the same. The numbers were never what gave BMW credible claim to the title "The Ultimate Driving Machine" they use in marketing. It was how much control and feel and confidence the cars gave to their drivers. Technological driving aids are arguably necessary for the average driver to handle increased power. However, the older BMW would have insisted they are not making cars for average drivers and such aids would also have been less needed because so much power wouldn't be needed to move so much weight. The current switch from hydraulic steering assist to electronic assist (not exclusive to BMW) has been particularly detrimental. By all accounts, BMW's famed steering feel is no more.
Even the current, outgoing M3--as great as a car as it is--is nonetheless a serious departure from the original. So much so that the 1-series M coupe was created to be a better facsimile.
Some will argue that this all has to be, due to changing markets, regulations, etc. They are probably right. But that doesn't change the fact that BMW no longer makes the sort of car that they built their reputation on.
I can guarantee you that 99% of g wagon buyers now a day, have no intention to drive it off road unless you call the sidewalk in LA or NY off road.
All cars have become bigger, the Mk1 Golf is the size of the current VW Polo (size smaller than the golf) and so have the people who drive them, which is why HM now offer a XL Eames Lounge, also the tech and security features in the new cars today require room and weight than wasn't needed in the 80's etc.
The 6's is a GT car and should be bigger is the whole point of a gran tourer 2+2 and boot for luggage.
Tech can be a good and a bad thing, it can alienate you from the driving experience, but on the other hand it will save your ass and just because you can afford an M3, 911, Ferrari etc. is doesn't mean you have the ability to control it, there's a reason why the 993 Turbo and MB Gullwing are called "widow makers".
I was looking at a 535d/550d/640d a while back and with a remap the 35d/40d has a better power to weight ratio, than 500 Abarth SS.
Originally Posted by whiteslashasian
Volvo has the XC70 still, but no longer sells the V70 in the States.Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
There is also the XC60.
Audi has the new "Allroad" which seems like a slightly beefed up A4 Avant. The XC70 has loads more room.
*edit* Seems like Volvo has an optional Polestar package you can add to any of their Turbo engines. Bumps the T6 in the XC70 to 325 hp and 354 lb. ft. of torque; not too shabby.
The allroad is exactly that a raised A4/A6 with extra plastic and if I remember correctly tougher seats,
If you want to go allroad go A6 4F.
Polestar is a swedish tuner, who does remaps and runs Volvo's touring car team, so they know Volvo's.
Originally Posted by Piobaire
So to whomever asked about what car to get a few posts above...this means the 2013 will be had at screaming deals very soon.
The current XC90 is from 03 with a facelift in 07, so it's like buying a very old GL.