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post #1 of 16
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Recently heard that store manager of popular shoe company was selling shoes on e-bay that he was stealing out of the back room to deliver. For the shoppers here, when is a deal too good to buy into? For the e-bay sellers, are there any checks for something like this? I decided to spend some time on the site (I had not before) and I found 4 shoe sellers who struck me as odd in the 1 hour I searched. Turns out that 3 were stores that did not stock shoes but had catalog accounts with a particular manufacturer and were just selling at low prices (these accounts have since been closed by the manufacturer), and the other was 'possibly' another theft situation. There is someone selling lots of 'Polo' shirts that seem to me would have to be fakes due to the quantities and someone who claims he has Z(big Italian brand) shirts direct from the factory. The Z(big Italian brand)shirts did not look familiar and the Z(big Italian brand) people had no idea what they were but are looking into it. Seems to me, anything available in quantity should be questioned.
post #2 of 16
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Turns out that 3 were stores that did not stock shoes but had catalog accounts with a particular manufacturer and were just selling at low prices
Why do you think this is wrong?
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
I don't - the manufacturer did however. Ebay is not an approved source to sell merchandise in according to manufacturers/marketers. When you get an account with say Cole Haan, you have to declare where the shoes are being sold. You are obligated to sell the shoes only in those locations. If you are caught selling goods in an unapproved area/method, your account can be closed by aggreement. Ebay is not where most companies want their labels represented.
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Ebay is not an approved source to sell merchandise in according to manufacturers/marketers.
What do you think of sellers like allenedmonds then? Is that one of the sellers you mention? They appear to be Allen Edmonds the company selling seconds and discontinued styles directly on ebay. It is quite common to have major clothing stores and brands start up an ebay store to move excess merchandise. That being said, sellers claiming that they have first quality, current season merchandise is definitely a red flag. In most cases they are just lying. Sometimes they might have a style that has been discontinued in one store, but which is still available in another. In a few cases they could be selling the merchandise without authorization. As I have said before, all the good sellers are selling past-season merchandise, and therefore aren't really a threat to specialty and chain stores. I do take issue with the idea that ebay is somehow a low-class way to sell. It's just not true, as the ever growing number of sellers and buyers will attest.
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AHarris: Could you please give more info on the allen-edmonds. I went to their website, and I didn't find any seconds. I saw SierraTraderPost carried some, but I didn't really find as much as I thought there might be. And, why sell their seconds online when their stores will also sell these too. This would seem like a good way to get rid of their excess inventory. It seems like you could get seconds via this method for a pretty good price, and not have to worry about getting ripped off.
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I apologize for that last incomplete post. Esquire. Allen-Edmonds has their own eBay store. From what I understand in e-mailing Marney, their rep, it is the Shoe Bank out of Port Washington selling the shoes. The shoes they sell are not always seconds, but man first quality, discontinued shoes. As to why sell online when they can sell them in their stores? I don't have an answer for you. I have called the Shoe Bank in Port Washington and received a price on a shoe of $129, yet have it listed on their eBay store at $79 with a $99 buy-it-now. Go figure. Maybe someone in the group can explain why AE is taking this approach.
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I have called the Shoe Bank in Port Washington and received a price on a shoe of $129, yet have it listed on their eBay store at $79 with a $99 buy-it-now.  
Port Washington in Wisconsin? I had no idea there was an AE store there. That's only about 30 minutes north of me. Do you know where the main factory is located?
post #8 of 16
Versace Man: https://www.allenedmonds.com/webapp....slEQ%3D Is the link to the AE shoe bank address in Port Washington, Wisconsin. Josh Proefrock is the person I deal with there. You will find current, discontinued, and factory second stock. Seems I remember your saying you wear a size 7 1/2 shoe. I wear an 8 and sometimes they have sales on what they call their 'fringe' sizes. At that time a factory second of a current shoe is as low as $129. Feel free to e-mail me if you have additional questions.
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Versace Man: https://www.allenedmonds.com/webapp....slEQ%3D Is the link to the AE shoe bank address in Port Washington, Wisconsin.  Josh Proefrock is the person I deal with there.  You will find current, discontinued, and factory second stock.  Seems I remember your saying you wear a size 7 1/2 shoe.  I wear an 8 and sometimes they have sales on what they call their 'fringe' sizes.  At that time a factory second of a current shoe is as low as $129.  Feel free to e-mail me if you have additional questions.
Thanks for the reply. Must have been someone else with the shoes though; I take between an 11 and a 12 depending on the maker. It looks like the factory and main HQ is in Port Washington too. Very cool to find that something like this is so close. That explains the many AE billboards I see around the downtown Milwaukee area. Right now the shoes are a bit to conservative/dressy for my daily wear (still a student), but $129 sounds like an excellent deal for when I enter the corporate world.
post #10 of 16
Well, the thought HAS crossed my mind...I mean, how is it possible for me to pay 1175 for a 3595 suit? However, I quickly push the thought out of my mind, and click "buy it now." I have found that fine cigars and a good vodka-tonic also help to deal with the possibility that a majority of my wardrobe may be a result of a Neiman Marcus or Saks truck heist.
post #11 of 16
I have spent several years figuring out the sources for just about every major ebay seller of high-end clothes. Believe me guys, the goods are acquired either through old-fashioned hard work, or because a seller has the cash to approach a store and "job" large lots of merchandise that didn't sell at the final clearance sale. I'm not saying that it is impossible for goods to be stolen, just that it is very unlikely. And as I've said before, you are not going to find fake Brioni suits, or Edward Green shoes etc. A counterfeiter would be an idiot to invest the time and effort into trying to copy merchandise that has very little mass recognition, and that is sold primarily to people who could spot a fake from a mile away. And I want to reiterate a point - we are all selling either used merchandise or in the case of NWT, EXCESS inventory. The stuff that did not sell in stores. Why? Because on average, high-end clothes on ebay sell for less, sometimes far less than the wholesale price. If we could get more we would, but the average customer is just too savvy and too cheap to pay real money for what we sell. Buying at wholesale and selling the items on ebay at a discount off retail simply will not work. I think I know the sellers that Rider is talking about. And I never paid them much attention. Why? Because they aren't selling much of anything - the prices are too high.
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Recently heard that store manager of popular shoe company was selling shoes on e-bay that he was stealing out of the back room to deliver.
Have you been able to verify this or is it just a rumor??
post #12 of 16
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Unfortunately, it's a fact. He was caught after selling/lifting 72 pair. Ebay has evolved into a distribution channel for more than a few business'. It is not just Joe Blow selling grandma's chair to Jane Blow two states over. As such, I was wondering what oversight the sellers had as far as the source of their goods is concerned. At this moment, I have shoes in Customs waiting for the documentation to be inspected concerning where the hides for Ostrich leg details originated from. Seems to me, ebay should have some similiar responsibility to the public. If you have a 'store', you should have to verify your merchandise. In my state, if you posess stolen property, whether you are aware of it or not, it can be confiscated. I agree that stolen merchandise is probably a very small problem, however counterfeit merchandise is a different story. It would be VERY easy for me to buy a quantity of ties and have a copied label stitched in for resale on a auction site. As a matter of fact, outside of shoes, I can't think of a single category I could'nt knock off. I have no idea how much tailored clothing sells on ebay, but I'm sure accessories are a key item. EASY to put that on the street. So, my question seems to have been answered - ebay does not verify where large lots of merchandise are sourced from, but most shoppers on ebay are probably smart enough not to get taken?.?
post #13 of 16
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So, my question seems to have been answered - ebay does not verify where large lots of merchandise are sourced from, but most shoppers on ebay are probably smart enough not to get taken?.?
You got it backwards - most shoppers on ebay looking for designer clothes (especially big names like Versace, Gucci, Prada, Diesel) aren't smart enough not to get taken. I was watching an auction the other day for a pair of Versace jeans.  Clearly a fake.  The attached 'sales tags' were from the Gianni Versace top-line, the leather patch on the back was from the Jeans Couture line, and the inside tag was from the Versus line.  They were at over $100 with a few hours left. The seller had 100% positive feedback.  He also was selling jeans from other designers, yet all the styles were exactly the same.  The Prada jeans had a detail patch on the back, but the text/graphics were pulled right from the Prada sailing website. I've seen numerous sellers like this; they will sell ties that are very similar in design/construction yet have all sorts of different designer labels on the backs.  Obvious fakes. There's a seller from Turkey that keeps coming back, using several different user names but the products are identical.  They probably make up 85% of the Prada and D&G jeans for sale on ebay, yet all are fake.  Ebay does a horrible job of controlling this.  The seller with Diesel T-Shirts and Energie Gold button-up shirts with Buy-It-Now for $10-$18 is another example.  They had a ton of feedback and a rating of 98% with maybe 2,000 sales.  That means only 40 people out of 2000 were bright enough to catch the fakes, or consider the fact "hmm...I'm getting a brand-new $150 shirt for $10...is something wrong here?"  Ebay hasn't pulled the plug on them either. To sum it all up, I'm getting sick of doing a search for Prada and coming up with 95% of the listings being fakes.
post #14 of 16
Actually they just arrested a guy today here in South Florida for this very thing. Allegedly he was stealing merchandise from an electronics store in Stuart, Fla., and selling it on Ebay.
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There's a seller from Turkey that keeps coming back, using several different user names but the products are identical.  They probably make up 85% of the Prada and D&G jeans for sale on ebay, yet all are fake.
ROFL. I know. I saw this guy too, and I think it's hilarious. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws....1668627 vs. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws....0021484 Look at the back pockets, the denim texture, and the whiskering style. Too funny. Someone left him a feedback: "   the Armani jeans i received was totally fake...... watchout for this seller...  " And people aren't looking at the pictures or anything, because otherwise they would notice a strange similarity between all of the jeans.
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