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post #16 of 29
4/29/10 at 12:06am
Organic whole milk.

Organic butter.

Organic honey.

Grassfed/organic beef. ground would prob be best make yourself some organic cheeseburgers for snacks.

quinoa,brown rice, grain of your choice + butter.

ABSOLUTELY NO BABY CARROTS!!!

eat six meals a day.
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post #17 of 29
4/29/10 at 1:12am
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Originally Posted by danilo View Post
I didn't want to make a whole new thread about this, I eat fairly clean but I'm ALWAYS hungry an hour or so before I go to bed. What are good snacks to eat that late?

I hate cottage cheese.

Milk or a casein protein shake. Peanut butter (in moderation). Vegetables.
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post #18 of 29
4/29/10 at 1:34am
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Originally Posted by Pennglock View Post
Do you subscribe to the theory that 3000 "lean" calories will keep you trimmer than 3000 "dirty" calories?

Assuming you do not (which is good as that way of thinking is complete bro-science nonsense) you are making this process way too hard.

1) Pick how many many grams of protein you want to eat. 1 g/pound of target bodyweight is the advice that always gets thrown around. I have no idea if that's really overkill, but Ive got strong on my less most of my lifting career.
2) See how many calories are accounted for by your protein intake.
3) Get the rest of your calories from foods you enjoy.


But honestly, even the above is overcomplicating life. Try this:

Train hard and eat foods you like when you get hungry

Well, the diet I posted in the OP is fairly similar to what I was usually eating prior to bulking (i.e. nothing there is something I previously would not have enjoyed eating), but just on a larger scale and with more eggs/milk. Even with the increased intake I was finding that I was having trouble reaching my target caloric intake with the type of foods I had been eating.

I could have easily covered the deficit with a big mac meal at McDonalds, but figured there are better alternatives to that to reach the caloric goal.
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post #19 of 29
4/29/10 at 2:54am
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Originally Posted by mr.loverman View Post
Organic whole milk.

Organic butter.

Organic honey.

Grassfed/organic beef. ground would prob be best make yourself some organic cheeseburgers for snacks.

quinoa,brown rice, grain of your choice + butter.

ABSOLUTELY NO BABY CARROTS!!!

eat six meals a day.

ummm why all this organic shit?

what's wrong with carrots?
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post #20 of 29
4/29/10 at 11:47am
My assumption was that eating organic keeps your toxin intake down so you don't have to juice fast so often.
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post #21 of 29
4/29/10 at 11:49am
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Originally Posted by LucasCLarson View Post
Milk or a casein protein shake. Peanut butter (in moderation). Vegetables.

I have been told and read that Milk before going to bed is a bad idea because of the amount of sugar it has
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post #22 of 29
4/29/10 at 11:58am
Take Pennglock's advice and ignore the rest of the thread. You won't anyway, though, so it's probably better to ask this question on another site where you'll get the answers you want to hear.

If you can't get enough protein eating 3000 calories/day you're hopeless and probably weren't cut out for humanity.

By the way, at 3000cal/day you're gonna get fat unless you're putting 10lbs. on your lifts each week.
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post #23 of 29
4/29/10 at 12:29pm
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Take Pennglock's advice and ignore the rest of the thread. You won't anyway, though, so it's probably better to ask this question on another site where you'll get the answers you want to hear. If you can't get enough protein eating 3000 calories/day you're hopeless and probably weren't cut out for humanity. By the way, at 3000cal/day you're gonna get fat unless you're putting 10lbs. on your lifts each week.
Thanks for the unwarranted snark, I came here for some fucking advice, if you have some to provide then give it instead of telling me to go somewhere that'll tell me "what I want to hear", because I don't fucking know what I want to hear. If there's a better way of getting enough nutrients to get bigger without having to stuff myself daily, I am all ears. So basically I should just aim to get enough protein (however that may be) and just eat whatever? Because the thing is I've eaten very little all my life and I am skinny, so I HAVE been doing pennglock's advice of "Train hard and eat foods you like when you get hungry" and if I follow it I'll basically find myself eating not enough. I can easily get enough protein, it's just everything else I was concerned I would not get enough of in order to effectively get stronger/bigger.
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post #24 of 29
4/29/10 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by mr.loverman View Post

ABSOLUTELY NO BABY CARROTS!!!

what the hell

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My assumption was that eating organic keeps your toxin intake down so you don't have to juice fast so often.

gold
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post #25 of 29
4/29/10 at 2:02pm
Your protein estimate looks low, unless you're eating tiny porkchops and a fillet of sunfish. I'm in support of eating healthy when bulking, but the notion that some types of fat/carbs/protein are "dirtier" than others and will yield poorer results is hogwash. So basically if a big mac fits into your daily required breakdown of protein/fats/carbs then you should be eating it. As far as more nutrients, more calories, less stuffing yourself, liquids are the way to go. For breakfast I'd do a scoop of whey protein, a banana or a handfull of berries, 2 table spoons of peanut butter, and 2 cups of milk in a blender. It takes less time than cooking, has more calories and protein, and will leave your stomach open to a bigger snack in a couple of hours.
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post #26 of 29
4/29/10 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by spenser View Post
My assumption was that eating organic keeps your toxin intake down so you don't have to juice fast so often.

o god. you've got to be kidding.

ask yourself, "what might these toxins be and why would a juice fast get rid of them?"
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post #27 of 29
4/29/10 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by danilo View Post
I have been told and read that Milk before going to bed is a bad idea because of the amount of sugar it has
It's debatle. In reality, 12g of sugar before bed isn't going to kill you. It isn't fructose, either. If you aren't a fan of cottage cheese and are afraid of 12g of sugar before bed, I suggest a casein protein supplement of some sort. My guess the whole baby carrot thing is because carrots have a high amount of sugar in them. Probably more than most vegetables. It's easy to down half a pound of baby carrots and suddenly find yourself consuming more calories than you think. Really, a calorie is a calorie is a calorie. There hasn't been any huge evidence supporting otherwise. If your body needs the cals, feed it. I've seen the best results from training when i became realistic about my diet. You don't need to eat like a body builder if you aren't one. I've seen great results drinking milk+protein supplement before bed. It hasn't hindered anything. Give it a go. If you are trying to lose weight it is more important that you are eating at a deficit than counting the amount of sugar before bed. Although it [sugar] may have an effect on testosterone levels, again, there isn't a mass of evidence supporting it.
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post #28 of 29
4/29/10 at 10:14pm
lots of complex carbs. brown rice, sweet potatoes. healthy fats- almonds and avocados are your friends.
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post #29 of 29
4/29/10 at 10:32pm
I figured the carrots thing was about cals vs volume (density). As in, if you're trying to get to 3000 cals / day, you can't do it with broccoli.
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