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post #16 of 72
Kunk, you'd look pretty ridiculous in a GTI (fast and the furious much?), and I like GTI's... just don't think they're for a lot of people. How about a CPO G37s coupe?
post #17 of 72
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I think they are still close in price...the STI would win in the performance aspects but not if you are looking for the creature comforts.

I was in an STI and an R32 a few weeks ago (chicago auto show) and there is no comparison between the beauty of the VW interior and the plastic clunkiness of the Subaru.

+1. STI is one of my favorites in theory, but FUCK the subaru interiors are horrible. had an 04 forester XT for a while and that mother was fun as hell to drive. it was so loud and rattly on the inside i finally got rid of it for an A3.
post #18 of 72
TDI A3 would be awesome except for Audi's insistence on not making it available with proper transmission/drive train choices. Only comes in Auto and FWD. I want manual and Quattro.
post #19 of 72
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finally getting myself a car and want something small and fast and reasonable. any better suggestions?

get a Smart car, you and Vanna can sashay around town in it looking fierce.
post #20 of 72
^Foo can squeeze in the middle and they can synchronize their head bopping while sipping on jamba juices.
post #21 of 72
Thread Starter 
need teh german

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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post
Kunk, you'd look pretty ridiculous in a GTI (fast and the furious much?), and I like GTI's... just don't think they're for a lot of people. How about a CPO G37s coupe?
post #22 of 72
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need teh german

you like it, the rock hard stollen?
post #23 of 72
Maybe the new VW Golf R, if it is offered in the US. Or dig all the shit and get a Porsche.
post #24 of 72
The GTI, for all its teutonic attractiveness, has always seemed to me to be a bit of a raw deal. It's not exactly cheap (all told), first of all, and:

1) It is front wheel drive. If you live somewhere that you need to worry about snow, FWD just never works as well as you think. If you don't live somewhere snowy, why would you buy front wheel drive? If you want a fun new car, get the 135i. That thing is a rocket.

2) That little 2.0l turbo is fun, but wheezy. The car is fairly heavy, and while the interior is "nice," it's fairly boring. Not so much character in VW's interiors, even less (I find) than Audi's. While ~200 horsepower feels fun for a bit, that enjun really needs some tweaking before it even feels like it is breathing right. And once you've tweaked it, it's no fun to drive a fwd car with massive torque steer. It does have good luggage space, I will certainly give it that. And it looks reasonable - Although I find my 07 WRX so hideous that it's absolutely adorable.

3) VW has an absolutely horrible service record. From what I've heard from friends who own, upkeep is fairly pricey to boot. Mileage seems good, but for a compact it should be.

All in all, in my experience, it is not only fairly boring to look at, but also fairly boring to drive. It is staid, predictable, and utterly normal. Turn-in is nice, and it's got reasonable balance, but the roll-and-stick that characterizes the Audi/VW group is pretty boring. It handles better (sort of) than my subaru (by which i meant there is slightly less understeer), but I'll take the subaru 224hp boxer-4 over the little 2.0t any day, as well as the AWD (that being said, I think the new versions of the WRX are unbearably hideous). But again, I am attracted to the slightly raw, unkempt feel of japanese rally-compacts, and I like driving fast in the dirt.

Some people have mentioned the R32 already - this is probably what the GTI should have been. It's a little ungainly, but at least it's more interesting than a GTI. Audi A3 could be worth a drive as well, but I like the shape less than the GTI. I'm also sick of Audis.

As I said, the 135i is an absolute rocket and an absolute steal. It outperforms most things in its price range, handles like a bmw (with the caveat that I believe it lacks a limited-slip differential), and the engine is to die for. Seriously, that turbo six is incredibly sweet. Ridiculous low-end torque, lovely subdued but potent engine note - at the very least, it's worth a drive.

As is the Subaru STI and Mitsubishi Lancer EVO (and even Mazdaspeed 3, I guess)- although you said German, and if you're considering a "grown-up" car, I doubt you'd like either of those. But if you want performance bang for your buck, Japanese is the way to go.

I have no experience with lexus, but some of the IS cars (the 350 [or the ISF if you jump up about 20k]) might do it for you.
post #25 of 72
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If you like GTI, take a look at Audi S3. It's more expensive but better than GTI in every way.
No. A whole $10k for a douchebag badge? Thread should read "GTI". No other suggestions. I would also avoid the leather.
post #26 of 72
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If you like GTI, take a look at Audi S3. It's more expensive but better than GTI in every way.

No way is it much better, pretty much just paying extra for the luxury name.

You really can't go wrong with the GTI for the price and what is offered. If you aren't looking for a hatchback exactly, how about the Hyundai Genesis Coupe. I know, I know it's a Hyundai but the 3.8 version starting at $25k with a 300hp engine and being rwd is a beast. I test drove one in a track and it is one fun car to drive, I'd even boldly say even more so than the GTI or the SI (which is the only alternative I really see for the GTI in its class). You do sacrifice some gas mileage with the Genesis Coupe though, I say it is at least worth the test drive.
post #27 of 72
a regular non-R GTI costs about 50 grand in my country.
post #28 of 72
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Originally Posted by chrisjustinparr View Post
No. A whole $10k for a douchebag badge?

Thread should read "GTI". No other suggestions. I would also avoid the leather.

I would also avoid the leather (though I usually dislike leather car seats...). If you can get the plaid upholstery it will be awesome.
post #29 of 72
We have owned several GTIs and now own an R32. The R32 is fast, fun and comfortable with intense sports car feel and DNA. Go drive one then buy one used.

But the newer lower standard tires are anything but standard when it comes to cost so be prepared to shell out some serious dough when it is time to get some new rubber all around.

That being said, you can't go wrong with a GTI except that VW or even Porsche won't be as reliable as many of the azian cars. But you can actually haul things in the GTI, it is quite an efficient auto.
post #30 of 72
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I'd pick the GTI over the 135, though I'd take the 130iM over the GTI. Unfortunately, we didn't get the hatchback 1-series.

There is always the A3... 6-speed, quattro, 2.0T with a chip.
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