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post #136 of 169
I'd vote for D-Wade. Did you see his 2 incredible steals in that 48 point double OT win? They weren't the type of steals where you pick up a loose ball or even those where you pick off a pass. He straight dribbled it right out of the dribbler's hands! I haven't seen anyone that since pee-wee basketball, let alone at the NBA level.
post #137 of 169
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Originally Posted by chronoaug View Post
He shouldn't. I don't think blake would mesh with that team at all. I'm sorry, but i don't see blake being a superstar in the nba and he's a powerforward who i dont' think can play centre in the nba at all. Jeff Green is already playing out of position at the 4 (he'd be much better at the 3 spot) and blake at the 5 isn't going to work in the long run. Durant maybe wants a better pick, but the rest of the Thunder have been playing great without him. I think Durant owes it to his teammates when he returns to think long and hard about his role, lower his shots, and get his teammates involved and his shots within the flow of the offense. The team seems good enough now (i love love love adding thabo) that he doesn't need to just keep chucking all the time. He should work on a post game to help with matchup problems, which would open a lot up for his teammates.
OKC has exactly one win against a quality team (Dallas) since Durant has been out. The dude shoots almost 49% from the field, above any number Kobe Bryant has ever shot. IMO, Blake Griffin is a major talent. He'll strictly be a power forward but there's probably no 4 or 5 in the league right now outside of Dwight Howard with Griffin's combination of athleticism and strength. He obviously isn't as tall but he has a better skillset. If the Thunder were in a position to pick Griffin, I think you'd have to either have to eventually move Green to the bench to play as 6th man or trade him. Green is good but he isn't a talent like Griffin who is the clear-cut #1 in the draft (unless Rubio enters). Plus he hustles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAIMbfZzYlI
post #138 of 169
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OKC has exactly one win against a quality team (Dallas) since Durant has been out. The dude shoots almost 49% from the field, above any number Kobe Bryant has ever shot.

IMO, Blake Griffin is a major talent. He'll strictly be a power forward but there's probably no 4 or 5 in the league right now outside of Dwight Howard with Griffin's combination of athleticism and strength. He obviously isn't as tall but he has a better skillset. If the Thunder were in a position to pick Griffin, I think you'd have to either have to eventually move Green to the bench to play as 6th man or trade him. Green is good but he isn't a talent like Griffin who is the clear-cut #1 in the draft (unless Rubio enters).

Plus he hustles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAIMbfZzYlI

Wait, what?

There have been a ton of big men that have put up those numbers in college. Then they get to the NBA and have to play against guys that are just as big and athletic as they are. Let's not declare him 1st team All-NBA just yet.

I do think he's the consensus no. 1 unless a team really needs a PG or SG and then it's Rubio or Harden. OKC would do well to trade either the no. 1 pick or Green if they end up with it, and I think they're more likely to trade down and take Harden, who has some similarities to Brandon Roy coming out of college.
post #139 of 169
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Originally Posted by Brian278 View Post
Wait, what? There have been a ton of big men that have put up those numbers in college. Then they get to the NBA and have to play against guys that are just as big and athletic as they are. Let's not declare him 1st team All-NBA just yet. I do think he's the consensus no. 1 unless a team really needs a PG or SG and then it's Rubio or Harden. OKC would do well to trade either the no. 1 pick or Green if they end up with it, and I think they're more likely to trade down and take Harden, who has some similarities to Brandon Roy coming out of college.
Griffin will end up at least an All-Star calibre player if he stays healthy. When was the last time a big man in a BCS conference put up 22 PPG and 14 RPG and shot 60%? Tim Duncan? Usually the big men in the draft coming out of college have either the athletic potential or the production but rarely both. And it's been a long time since somebody had this level of production. The only real downside to Griffin's game is that he doesn't have much shotblocking ability. I don't think OKC would prefer Harden over Griffin. They need some post offense and Blake Griffin offers something of the sort (still in the works). If they had a lineup with Westbrook, Harden, Durant, and Green, probably 90% of the team's offense would come from the perimeter. Thabo and Kyle Weaver bring a more defensive-minded approach to the 2-guard spot which is exactly what they need. If I were Sam Presti, I'd be thinking Thabeet or Jordan Hill before Harden (maybe that's why I haven't been able to get a job as a NBA GM yet).
post #140 of 169
^^Michael Beasley put up 26 and 12 just last year. He didn't shoot 60% but he also shot 3s. I agree Griffin's numbers are huge, but he's a man among boys right now, we'll see how he does against guys his size. I think he'll be good, but he's not going to score 22 on dunks and put backs in the NBA. I just think Green is too much of a fan favorite to get traded, even though I think they're basically playing to SFs with Durant and him on the floor at the same time. He might turn into a Rashard Lewis type if they can get a legit center to block shots and rebound, but it remains to be seen if will happen.
post #141 of 169
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If the Thunder were in a position to pick Griffin, I think you'd have to either have to eventually move Green to the bench to play as 6th man or trade him. Green is good but he isn't a talent like Griffin who is the clear-cut #1 in the draft (unless Rubio enters).

Plus he hustles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAIMbfZzYlI

The way Kyle Weaver has been playing, makes Green expendable, if you can get a really good defensive C (Tyson Chandler, anyone? Still confuesd by the rescind). That said, I don't see why Durant doesn't start at the 2, and Green at the 3, assuming Griffin is there. They can both play each of those positions well, and defend them well as well. That makes their lineup:

Westbrook
Durant
Green
Griffin
Krstic (Assuming Collison isn't resigned)

That lineup has lots of length.
post #142 of 169
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Originally Posted by fairholme_wannabe View Post
The way Kyle Weaver has been playing, makes Green expendable, if you can get a really good defensive C (Tyson Chandler, anyone? Still confuesd by the rescind). That said, I don't see why Durant doesn't start at the 2, and Green at the 3, assuming Griffin is there. They can both play each of those positions well, and defend them well as well. That makes their lineup:

Westbrook
Durant
Green
Griffin
Krstic (Assuming Collison isn't resigned)

That lineup has lots of length.

I'd keep Green. He has proven he can play well in the NBA. All reports are that he is a good teammate too. OKC should try to get Rubio if he enters the draft. He has the potential to be really special. Plus as great as Westbrook is, he isn't a point guard, so I'd move him to the 2.
post #143 of 169
Durant is more suited to the 3. He can't keep up with the likes of Dwyane Wade playing guard and he isn't as effective on the boards. You need to build the team around Durant at the 3; not any other position. Westbrook can probably play the 2 in spurts but I wouldn't play him there full-time. One of the advantages he has right now is his size and playing SG turns that into a disadvantage. I think Sam Presti drafted him to be their PG of the future. Green is worth keeping and is a positive influence on the team but if they had to give up Green to get Griffin, I think you'd have to do it. Not that the Thunder needs help with attendance but having Griffin in OKC would be huge.
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Originally Posted by Brian278
Michael Beasley put up 26 and 12 just last year. He didn't shoot 60% but he also shot 3s. I agree Griffin's numbers are huge, but he's a man among boys right now, we'll see how he does against guys his size. I think he'll be good, but he's not going to score 22 on dunks and put backs in the NBA.
Well Griffin probably won't put up 20 PPG his rookie season but he's developing an offensive repoitre beyond dunking. Rebounding numbers translate quite well in the NBA so I'd be quite willing to bet he'd put up 10+ RPG his first year. I'm quite sure he'll measure out to be somewhat taller than Beasley. He's stronger and is more explosive off the ground. Also, Griffin isn't a tweener like Beasley. I think Griffin will end up somewhere in between Beasley and Durant in terms of overall production.
post #144 of 169
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Originally Posted by hammer07 View Post
OKC has exactly one win against a quality team (Dallas) since Durant has been out. The dude shoots almost 49% from the field, above any number Kobe Bryant has ever shot.

IMO, Blake Griffin is a major talent. He'll strictly be a power forward but there's probably no 4 or 5 in the league right now outside of Dwight Howard with Griffin's combination of athleticism and strength. He obviously isn't as tall but he has a better skillset. If the Thunder were in a position to pick Griffin, I think you'd have to either have to eventually move Green to the bench to play as 6th man or trade him. Green is good but he isn't a talent like Griffin who is the clear-cut #1 in the draft (unless Rubio enters).

Plus he hustles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAIMbfZzYlI

I'm frankly tired of this Rubio talk. This past summer, I heard all this talk abuot this hotshot Spanish guard who was a potential #1/#1 pick in the NBA draft. I had to watch. After watching him a bit, I was SEVERELY disappointed. Don't get me wrong, he's young and all that and has a nice game, but #1 pick? GTFOOH! I don't know what scout deemed him that worthy, but the kid has a LONG way to go. He just is not that good. Period.

As for Griffin, the kid is a horse. If he truly is 6-10, look out NBA. The kid has great footwork downlow, is a brickhouse, can rebound and is a classic 4.
post #145 of 169
Leon Powe is a fucking monster right now. I miss guys who aren't athletic freaks (by NBA standards) and still manage to have enough game to school all these kids who only know how to run and dunk. Powe gets buckets.
post #146 of 169
LBJ.
post #147 of 169
I'm amazed most of you guys aren't listing Kevin Garnett as top 5, and I'm not even a Boston fan. Is it because he's presently injured/not on the nightly highlights in the last few days, or because he was wasted playing in Minnesota for so long? He's consistently been one of the most productive forwards in the NBA, and is a much better defender than most of the players in the top-five lists I see here.

I'll go with:
Dwayne Wade
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
LeBron James
Durant

followed very close by Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan (on a good night anyway), and Nowitzki in Dallas. Can't get much better than David Lee on defense, but he's not as productive as the guys above.
post #148 of 169
I think chris paul is suffering from an underwhelming situation in New Orleans, but deserves mention. You know who I've always been a fan of - Derek Fisher. Any team can sign him (unfortunately that's been the lakers most of the time) and count on him to play the point and make no mistakes. I'll go so far as to say he's one of the most underrated point guards of the 2000s, if not of all time.
post #149 of 169
Ok, you guys are retarded putting durant in your top 5 or top 10. There is more to bsaketball than putting up 28 points a game on a shitty team. Also, his team has played better without him (they were barely getting normal win, let alone quality ones with durant). Durant has a long way to go. Defense, passing, post game, playing within the offense, shot selection, not hurting his team with his own offensive game, etc... He's a great player with the potential to be top 5, but he's not there. He needs to play better within the offense, and allow the other 2 major players on the team (westbrook and green) get off as well. Durant isn't a playmaker/passer like lebron or kobe yet either, so he can't just control the ball all the time. Maybe in time, but right now, scoring a ton of points isn't exactly the only answer. I looovvveeeee the Thabo trade for them. I think he has the potential to be a good starter (not an all star but a perfect compliment). He can develop into an elite perimeter defender, has solid point/playmaking skills, and is a good slasher. His slashing can free up room for durant, and he and jeff green are the best passers on the team and can create for the best scorers durant and westbrook. Blake Griffin would not work there at all. They really need a selfless center who is a legit 7ft or a really strong 6'11. He needs to be agile and able to play uptempo, someone like Tyson Chandler who they insanely gave away because of a little toe injury. They need someone to run occasional pick and roll, defend legit big guys, and protect the rim. Also, i'm guessing blake is going to measure a bit shorter than currently listed at the draft. I don't see blake really being all that much in the nba. He won't be a bust, but i don't think he's a number 1 pick. No one seems all that high on him. Kinda like how a lot of scouts were lukewarm on Beasley despite putting up similar numbers.
post #150 of 169
Who would you rather start a team around - Lebron, Paul, or Howard?
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