New G&G Bespokes

They look great, wear them in good heath

Beautiful shoes. Enjoy!

Very nice - does G & G make its own bespoke and outsource their RTW to Alfred Sargent?

Originally Posted by ld111134

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Very nice - does G & G make its own bespoke and outsource their RTW to Alfred Sargent?

No outsourcing is done by G&G!

Originally Posted by cdmoore1855

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After 8 and half long months of waiting and volcanic ash giving me an extra week of anguish, the first 2 pairs of my G&G's have arrived. The fit is pretty damn good, there is slight slipping in the right heel on the side gusset shoe but nothing a slighty thicker sock won't fix. Excuse the photography, I am no Herb Ritts The next to come are all lace shoes so should be fine Regards Cdmoore
The Oxfords are very nice, not keen on the slip-on though Enjoy your shoes.

Apropos

These don't suffer from any of those creases you have highlighted above thank god. I did stick my feet in the shoes and take a walk around at home for a few minutes prior to taking pics which explains the slight discolouring where the vamp bends. An off centre medallion tip is not perfect and some may say that for this money you should be buying perfection. I may have a word with Tony when I next meet him

Xiaogao

'No outsourcing is done by G&G!', I am not 100% sure about this, I think all the UK bespoke makers use outsourcing to some degree

Originally Posted by cdmoore1855

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Xiaogao

'No outsourcing is done by G&G!', I am not 100% sure about this, I think all the UK bespoke makers use outsourcing to some degree

There's outsourcing, and there's the age-old tradition of cottage industry. Grenson has moved some of its production to India. That's what I understand "outsourcing" to mean. Cleverly and others use independent clickers etc who do piece work at a different location from where the shoes are lasted and finished. This is not outsourcing. Cleverly also contracts out some of its production to C&J, but closely manages this production line. I'm not sure if that is considered "outsourcing" or not!

These are beautiful shoes, regardless.

Originally Posted by imatlas

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Cleverly and others use independent clickers etc who do piece work at a different location from where the shoes are lasted and finished. This is not outsourcing...

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Originally Posted by cdmoore1855

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Xiaogao

'No outsourcing is done by G&G!', I am not 100% sure about this, I think all the UK bespoke makers use outsourcing to some degree

G&G make all of their shoes on the premises. They just moved into a bigger building to accommodate everything. Now, they might have different contractors come in and complete different tasks, but all G&G shoes are made on site. I am sure of this.

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G&G make all of their shoes on the premises. They just moved into a bigger building to accommodate everything. Now, they might have different contractors come in and complete different tasks, but all G&G shoes are made on site. I am sure of this.

The machine-made shoes are made on site. The bespoke are made partly off site by contract workers as is common throughout the London bespoke community.

Originally Posted by imatlas

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There's outsourcing, and there's the age-old tradition of cottage industry. Grenson has moved some of its production to India. That's what I understand "outsourcing" to mean. Cleverly and others use independent clickers etc who do piece work at a different location from where the shoes are lasted and finished. This is not outsourcing. Cleverly also contracts out some of its production to C&J, but closely manages this production line. I'm not sure if that is considered "outsourcing" or not!

These are beautiful shoes, regardless.

Here's an entry written by Tom Park of LeatherSoul on his website regarding Clevereley's RTW production.


Tom Said,
April 4, 2010 @ 12:40 pm

Josh,

Thank you for bringing up this topic which definitely has a lot of people wondering. Let me try to explain...

George Cleverley has several workrooms based in London, Kent, Cornwall & Northampton (all in England) where they make their RTW shoes. The demand/orders for their shoes cannot be made in just one workroom. It is true that they have a workroom at C&J, BUT, they are made COMPLETELY different and to a much high specification. They are made using Cleverley's craftsman, Cleverley's designs, Cleverley's selection of leathers, and most importantly, Cleverley's lasts. Cleverley's head pattern cutter, Mr. Dominic Casey, spends 3 days in their London workroom and 2 days in their workshop at C&J overseeing all production.

I hope this clears up any confusion about the topic of Cleverley RTW and Crockett and Jones.

Aloha,

Tom

Will

This is what I am led to believe also. Maybe outsourcing is not the correct term to use, maybe we should say they all often share skilled workers.

Gentlemen, does it really matter if they outsource or not? What matters is whether the final goods meet with the customers expectations.

Are they also in the restaurant business now?