thank you banksmiranda. i have three jantzen shirts already and will order more, but margutti does have a bigger selection of 140s fabrics. i won't be ordering from them however. my experience with marco bracci leads me to believe i'd have to pay a lot for shipping, plus another $16 in customs fees. also, margutti does not give the dimensions of the different collars. at that price, i'm better off having shirts made here in l.a. they do have some handsome shoes though.