Serie A / EPL / La Liga / Etc.: TheRun to the Wire

Originally Posted by greekonomist

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Really? Not me. I expected them to play negative, counter-attacking anti-football. The numerous, cheap fouls and subtle play-acting to get cards are Mourinho specialties. What I didn't expect was all the delay tactics. I've never seen a team delay so much. Only 4 minutes of stoppage time??? The ref should have booked more Inter players as well.


negative??? They had more better chances than Barca..Are you crazy thinking that a team going all attack could beat barca.YOu need tactics and team effort to do that and thats what Inter did.

Plus what delay tactics are you talking about.The only time Inter player was on the ground was because of the injury whether Milito who had a cramp or Maicon who lost two teeth.And they are two of Inter's best players that had to be subbed.Do you think Mou would sub them out if they werent injured???

Try a better argument so that you dont embarrass yourself.

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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negative??? They had more better chances than Barca..Are you crazy thinking that a team going all attack could beat barca.YOu need tactics and team effort to do that and thats what Inter did.

Number of chances =/= positive, attacking play. I know that playing with strong defensive tactics are necessary to cause Barça trouble. But yes: when Thiago Motta, Maicon, Lucio, Samuel, et al. are running around fouling all over the place and play-acting (Maicon excluded) when they are touched to delay the game and elicit a card, I call that negative tactics. It is classic Jose Mourinho. It's his footballing philosophy.

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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Plus what delay tactics are you talking about.The only time Inter player was on the ground was because of the injury whether Milito who had a cramp or Maicon who lost two teeth.And they are two of Inter's best players that had to be subbed.Do you think Mou would sub them out if they werent injured???

I'm not talking about Milito or Maicon's injury, or the need to sub them. Those were legitimate. I'm talking instead about how long Julio Cesar took each time he had the ball out for a goal kick and other similar circumstances. With those delays, the goals, the injuries, and the subs, I believe more than 4 minutes was warranted.

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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Try a better argument so that you dont embarrass yourself.

I've been respectful, and I hope you would do the same.

^ Fair enough,respect

I have to respectfully disagree however that Mou wanted time wasting.I didnt think there was lotd of time wasting.JC wanted players to go upfront for the kick and that is the only time someone took sometime to get going,even the Barca players didnt complain then.

As for Mou he wanted to go for the kill knowing that this result can easily be overturned and that is why he put in Ballotelli instead of another defensive player.Just to let you know Ballo is known for not defending and i guess you saw the outcome backfired on Inter in that department.But it shows Mou went for the kill not to waste time,that you will probably see in the second leg.

As for fouling, Barca's Keita and Pedro made more fouls than anyone according to the stats.Also Barca had more possession of the ball than inter and 5 times the amount of passing yet couldnt do anything with it.IMHO thats negative football and not being tactically aware and making the most of ur 33% ball possession.

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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^ Fair enough,respect

I have to respectfully disagree however that Mou wanted time wasting.I didnt think there was lotd of time wasting.JC wanted players to go upfront for the kick and that is the only time someone took sometime to get going,even the Barca players didnt complain then.

As for Mou he wanted to go for the kill knowing that this result can easily be overturned and that is why he put in Ballotelli instead of another defensive player.Just to let you know Ballo is known for not defending and i guess you saw the outcome backfired on Inter in that department.But it shows Mou went for the kill not to waste time,that you will probably see in the second leg.

I know all about Ballotelli as I watch Serie A, but putting in Ballotelli as a threat on the counter-attack is not mutually exclusive with time wasting.

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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As for fouling, Barca's Keita and Pedro made more fouls than anyone according to the stats.Also Barca had more possession of the ball than inter and 5 times the amount of passing yet couldnt do anything with it.IMHO thats negative football and not being tactically aware and making the most of ur 33% ball possession.

The ref did not blow the whistle for many of Inter's fouls. This is the type of fouling I'm talking about. It is a hallmark of Mourinho's teams, from Porto to Chelsea and now to Inter. They do just enough to with their physicality and surreptitious fouls to get away with it.

Or if they do get called, they somehow avoid cards. Maicon, merited one. As did Lucio, Sneijder, Samuel, and Thiago Motta. The statistics don't tell the whole story; they are only the record of what the ref called. You mentioned Pedro's fouls. Recall Lucio pushing him in the back and then the ref inexplicably whistling against Pedro? How about Keita? Remember when it he and an Inter player (I forget who) went up for a header, but the Inter player jumped early and fell down without any contact from Keita, yet Inter were given a free kick in a dangerous position?

This is a physicall game and you cant expect the ref to whistle on everything but the main point i wanted to stress is that we had bad calls go our way as well..

Inter didnt have a nasty foul on any Barca player,Barca players had more fouls and the only tactical foul was Stan's and he got a foul for that one that keeps him away from the next match.I am sure he didnt want to risk that.

Messi threw himself in simulation at the begining wanting a penalty and didnt get a card as well...Hope you remember that.

Pls confine your CL discussion to the appropriate thread (not el clasico!)! This thread is for league talk , and it's getting confusing! BTW, what happened w/ Baoltelli! He ;ooked his usual caged-animal self, but i hear matrix attacked him post match b/c mario stomped on his inter jersey in anger at fan abuse....

I remember the incident with Messi. It was not, in my opinion, simulation. But neither was it a foul. (He was fouled, by the way, by Maicon or Thiago Motta which led to their second goal. Again: no call) Sometimes players go down. Like the Inter player I mentioned in my previous post...he wasn't fouled, but he didn't dive either...got a free kick anyway.

Originally Posted by romafan

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Pls confine your CL discussion to the appropriate thread (not el clasico!)! This thread is for league talk

, and it's getting confusing!

BTW, what happened w/ Baoltelli! He ;ooked his usual caged-animal self, but i hear matrix attacked him post match b/c mario stomped on his inter jersey in anger at fan abuse....

Sorry. I thought CL was included in the "etc."

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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This is a physicall game and you cant expect the ref to whistle on everything but the main point i wanted to stress is that we had bad calls go our way as well..
I never denied that.

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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Inter didnt have a nasty foul on any Barca player,Barca players had more fouls and the only tactical foul was Stan's and he got a foul for that one that keeps him away from the next match.I am sure he didnt want to risk that.
I never claimed they were nasty fouls. I said that Mourinho teams know how to get in niggling fouls to disrupt play and get away with it, either by escaping a foul altogether or by escaping a booking when it is merited. I saw nothing to dissuade that opinion yesterday. The fact that the ref blew more fouls against Barça than against Inter supports my point that they know how to get away with it. I call this negative tactics. End of CL discussion in this thread.

Originally Posted by greekonomist

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Sorry. I thought CL was included in the "etc."

Etc. = Bundesliga, Eredivisie, League 1, etc. Anyway, I was joking/bustin' em b/c of your el clasico complaint....

Originally Posted by romafan

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Etc. = Bundesliga, Eredivisie, League 1, etc. Anyway, I was joking/bustin' em b/c of your el clasico complaint....

Yeah.. I know. I couldn't help myself. Someone mentioned the game, and I just started typing.

Can we talk about domestic cup competitions in this thread? 'Cause the Coppa Italia is now Roma v Inter once again. Forza Roma e Ranieri!

Sampdoria destroy Roma's hopes of the fairy tale and keep Inter on top.FUnny thing is that now Roma fans look to Lazio to do them a favour.

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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Sampdoria destroy Roma's hopes of the fairy tale and keep Inter on top.FUnny thing is that now Roma fans look to Lazio to do them a favour.

Dampened, not destroyed.

Originally Posted by romafan

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Dampened, not destroyed.

I know i know,but u have to admit the players looked like they lost the league even though there are 3 games left. Inter dont think they secured it but Roma look like they lost it.

Originally Posted by ANIKETOS

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I know i know,but u have to admit the players looked like they lost the league even though there are 3 games left. Inter dont think they secured it but Roma look like they lost it.

I was away for the weekend & DVR'd the game. Then I found out the score (before watching) and still watched the first half. I thought Roma lookd good, but I could not/did not watch the second.

To answer your observation, they did lose it. It is in Inter's hands (feet) now. All Roma can do is win the remaining games and hope for a slip up.