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post #16 of 29
4/21/10 at 9:53pm
Put your car in neutral and push it around.
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post #17 of 29
4/21/10 at 10:12pm
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Thanks for unnecessarily being an asshole.

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post #18 of 29
4/22/10 at 3:46am
Alright, I read it. Too complicated and too much brain washing to make you feel as if it wasn't money wasted.
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post #19 of 29
4/22/10 at 4:14am
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Alright, I read it. Too complicated and too much brain washing to make you feel as if it wasn't money wasted.

Too complicated? That shit was just about as elementary as you can make it, I thought the guy did a pretty decent job of explaining concepts. Don't agree with him completely though, but still.

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Uh, ya, that isn't a Stronglift feature. One set of 5 deadlifts seems to be a feature of most Starting Strength programs. I could be really off on this, but a program which contains low bar squats can more easily drop some of the deadlift volume than a high bar program. Low bar and deadlift has more overlap and SS people tend to low bar.

I do perform more deadlifts for my own reasons, right or wrong. I front squat / high bar, and I experienced a shoulder injury while deadlifting a couple months ago. I have decided that due to morphology I am a good deadlifter, but I exceeded the capacity of my upper body. I am doing more volume at lighter weight hoping to allow my shoulders to catch up to my legs. I've been doing 2, 3, 5, 3, 2 reps because it feels good. It feels like a self contained warm up, all at working weight.

Whether it's a Stronglift feature or not, there is no way you are going to become substantially stronger (isn't that the goal of the program?) on deads with doing only 1 set once a week.
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post #20 of 29
4/22/10 at 6:14am
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Too complicated? That shit was just about as elementary as you can make it, I thought the guy did a pretty decent job of explaining concepts. Don't agree with him completely though, but still.

It is relatively elementary, that's part of the problem. There is a lot of text, bluster, bold sentences, and funny colors to explain very simple things. The work out, the diet, the meal plans, on and on and on. He takes a simple truth and blows a lot of hot air into it to convince you that his book was worth buying.

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Whether it's a Stronglift feature or not, there is no way you are going to become substantially stronger (isn't that the goal of the program?) on deads with doing only 1 set once a week.

A minor issue, but you do 1.5 sets per week, not 1 set. In my personal experience, it is easy to become substantially stronger on deads while only doing 1.5 sets per week. Five deadlifts every other workout very close to your 1rm will make you stronger. How could it not?
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post #21 of 29
4/22/10 at 11:45am
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It is relatively elementary, that's part of the problem. There is a lot of text, bluster, bold sentences, and funny colors to explain very simple things. The work out, the diet, the meal plans, on and on and on. He takes a simple truth and blows a lot of hot air into it to convince you that his book was worth buying.

That is exactly what I thought, he doesn't have any "secrets" like he claims: all of it is well known in the strength and fitness communities. That makes it hard to justify spending $77 on information readily available on the internet.

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A minor issue, but you do 1.5 sets per week, not 1 set. In my personal experience, it is easy to become substantially stronger on deads while only doing 1.5 sets per week. Five deadlifts every other workout very close to your 1rm will make you stronger. How could it not?

Maybe for you it's different, but there is no way I could get in the groove for deadlifting by only doing 5 reps every other day. Hell, your CNS wouldn't even be partially activated in 5 reps!
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post #22 of 29
4/24/10 at 2:42pm
I've definitely seen gains in my deadlift with the starting strength program.
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post #23 of 29
4/24/10 at 6:28pm
I don't know how people can do more than 3 sets of balls-out deadlifts though, by the time #3 rolls around im toast. 1x5 is pretty dumb though.
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post #24 of 29
4/24/10 at 6:31pm
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I've definitely seen gains in my deadlift with the starting strength program.

I did too. The 1 X 5 reps being referenced is the work set. You do about 4-5 sets working up to that and you squat earlier on the same day. My DL progress was very impressive using Starting Strength, but I'm sure other methods work too. Going heavy on DL's 1.5 times per week was all I needed. I know some powerlifters who only DL once a week. Of course, they are going heavier and doing triples and singles mostly.

You have to keep in mind that Starting Strength is basically for young, skinny guys looking to bulk up. If you're a scrawny 16 year old looking to make the football team, SS is great.
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post #25 of 29
4/24/10 at 9:29pm
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I don't know how people can do more than 3 sets of balls-out deadlifts though, by the time #3 rolls around im toast. 1x5 is pretty dumb though.

i have been doing 5x5 for a while, but i think i'm gonna decrease reps to 3, but still do maybe 5 sets. It's such a full body workout that i don't wanna tire out by doing 5 reps, i want to be doing pretty close to 1RM on each lift.
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post #26 of 29
4/25/10 at 6:12pm
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I don't know how people can do more than 3 sets of balls-out deadlifts though, by the time #3 rolls around im toast. 1x5 is pretty dumb though.

It's hard if you're doing 6+ reps per set, but not if you're doing 3! Las week I ramped up to 315 for a set of 2; took me 7 sets. Not a PR but it felt great for that day with minimal soreness the next. Lower reps = more explosive power and more sets = volume which leads to hypertrophy.

To those who say they have improved their deadlift while on SL: of course you have! Especially if you are starting out, just the fact that you are doing deadlifts will increase your poundages from when you start. The point is, are you becoming dramatically stronger at them and is your back showing the development that should come from doing heavy deads?
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post #27 of 29
4/25/10 at 7:22pm
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To those who say they have improved their deadlift while on SL: of course you have! Especially if you are starting out, just the fact that you are doing deadlifts will increase your poundages from when you start. The point is, are you becoming dramatically stronger at them and is your back showing the development that should come from doing heavy deads?

I'm 46, I wasn't just starting out. My DL improved quite a bit. I got a bit over 2X my bodyweight. Nothing extraordinary, but not bad for a 45 year old deadlifting once or twice a week. I've actually cut back quite a bit on the heavy deadlifts. I'm not much of a stretching guy (pretty much don't stretch) and I found that my back tightness from heavy deadlifts was affecting my running. I would literally DL heavy, stop, get in the car and drive home. Next day I'd go for a run and my lower back would be too tight to run well. With a decent stretching routine, I might've been able to do both well, but I don't want to stretch.

I think the reason SS works so well for so many people is that most people don't do heavy deadlifts or heavy squats in the first place. Heavy compound exercises are supreme exercises, but most people don't do them. They bench and curl. I've never seen all of the squat racks taken and my gym only has 3 of them. I was at the gym today doing power cleans and this good-looking girl was next to me doing deadlifts. The big "muscle heads" were all benching.
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post #28 of 29
4/25/10 at 7:38pm
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I'm 46, I wasn't just starting out. My DL improved quite a bit. I got a bit over 2X my bodyweight. Nothing extraordinary, but not bad for a 45 year old deadlifting once or twice a week. I've actually cut back quite a bit on the heavy deadlifts. I'm not much of a stretching guy (pretty much don't stretch) and I found that my back tightness from heavy deadlifts was affecting my running. I would literally DL heavy, stop, get in the car and drive home. Next day I'd go for a run and my lower back would be too tight to run well. With a decent stretching routine, I might've been able to do both well, but I don't want to stretch. I think the reason SS works so well for so many people is that most people don't do heavy deadlifts or heavy squats in the first place. Heavy compound exercises are supreme exercises, but most people don't do them. They bench and curl. I've never seen all of the squat racks taken and my gym only has 3 of them. I was at the gym today doing power cleans and this good-looking girl was next to me doing deadlifts. The big "muscle heads" were all benching.
Exactly! For someone starting out, just doing heavy compound lifts, even one working set, is enough to stimulate growth. But beyond the beginner phase, you are going to need more than that to progress and grow. I enjoy reading exercise information from a variety of sources (yes, even Mens Health ) and have noticed a movement focusing on going back to the basics. Heavy squat variations, deadlift variations, over-head presses, and even Olympic lifts are "back in style" again. I think it is fantastic that these popular sources are preaching about heavy compound lifts again. Death to bi's/tri's day!
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post #29 of 29
4/25/10 at 11:24pm
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Put your car in neutral and push it around.

Proper and sound advice actually. I actually did this many times in the summer.
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