lol. i was joking man. don't be so thick. aether (aka Kent $$) thought RAF was made by rick owens. he also spelled 'Raf Simons' as 'Raf Simmons' (which, other people jested at, is how Richard Simmons spells his last name). In case you are unaware, Richard Simmons is a skinny fat dude (ask Listi for definition of this) with a fro who sells workout videos and clothing on QVC and other tv channels your mom often shops from. kent $$ also lumped Raf Simons in with a bunch of other designers that are totally different and which are sold at Atelier. I don't know why i'm bother to explain this. you will probably forget it before you have finished reading it and continue to make additional insightful comments like "thinking about tapering my Hedi Slimane Dior trench coat sleeves down to fit like band of outsiders shirts and to wear with my new CP desert chuckas."