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post #61 of 74
thank you for all your kind words. SG and me really appreciate this. we have sold paprika to: iammatt(the pooh), binge, cunning smeagol,... to name a few people, who are not known to be the biggest idiots around sf. feel free to ask them thank you, Sterling & me
post #62 of 74
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Originally Posted by Degendorff View Post
100% agreement. And + 1 for DocHolliday's statements.


ich kann meiner freude kaum ausdruck verleihen...

danke
post #63 of 74
fritzl, those names you bring up are supposed to mean something?
matt is the only one i know on that list, and we have different tastes in certain items.
i can presume that the buyers never got to see the items first hand before purchasing?
and what is your return policy?

and doc, if there can be another 'standard' to judge these shoes, should there be another standard to judge certain suits/coats?
post #64 of 74
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Originally Posted by T4phage View Post
fritzl, those names you bring up are supposed to mean something?
matt is the only one i know on that list, and we have different tastes in certain items.
i can presume that the buyers never got to see the items first hand before purchasing?
and what is your return policy?

and doc, if there can be another 'standard' to judge these shoes, should there be another standard to judge certain suits/coats?

T,

glad you ask.

no the names mean "nothing". why should they?

after all this hate, i gifted the shoe to SG today. he'll wear them with pride.

ps: i have one left to give after wb refused. i know, its cheap, but if you want. SG's was from february. so in real numbers we have two... to give.
post #65 of 74
OP, I would be interested if you would polish the other shoe with black polish, and take a picture of the comparison. Maybe wear them around like that, see if anyone notices.
post #66 of 74
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Originally Posted by T4phage View Post
and doc, if there can be another 'standard' to judge these shoes, should there be another standard to judge certain suits/coats?

If someone posted a traditional, handmade Tracht, I wouldn't hold it to the same standards as a modern Zegna suit, no. These things are relative. If I did not want rustic shoes from a small European shoemaking operation, I would not buy rustic shoes from a small European shoemaking operation.

Either you see the charm in this type of thing or you don't. Personally, I don't understand the forum fetish for handwork in RTW shirts. Some folks pay through the nose for it, just because it's charming, or artisinal, or how it used to be done, or something. It's not as neat and clean as a machine stitched shirt, and your collar is more likely to fall off, but hey, it's much more romantic. I don't get it, but I don't begrudge those who like it.
post #67 of 74
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
If someone posted a traditional, handmade Tracht, I wouldn't hold it to the same standards as a modern Zegna suit, no. These things are relative. If I did not want rustic shoes from a small European shoemaking operation, I would not buy rustic shoes from a small European shoemaking operation.

Either you see the charm in this type of thing or you don't. Personally, I don't understand the forum fetish for handwork in RTW shirts. Some folks pay through the nose for it, just because it's charming, or artisinal, or how it used to be done, or something. It's not as neat and clean as a machine stitched shirt, and your collar is more likely to fall off, but hey, it's much more romantic. I don't get it, but I don't begrudge those who like it.



I think you deserve the Nobel much more than Obama did. no snark, no homo.
post #68 of 74
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
If someone posted a traditional, handmade Tracht, I wouldn't hold it to the same standards as a modern Zegna suit, no. These things are relative. If I did not want rustic shoes from a small European shoemaking operation, I would not buy rustic shoes from a small European shoemaking operation.

doc,

not to derail this thread, but i haven't seen a "rustic" shoe through "operation paprika".

maybe the VASH has something in this vain. no pun intended
post #69 of 74
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T,

glad you ask.

no the names mean "nothing". why should they?

after all this hate, i gifted the shoe to SG today. he'll wear them with pride.

ps: i have one left to give after wb refused. i know, its cheap, but if you want. SG's was from february. so in real numbers we have two... to give.

thank you for the kind offer fritzl, but like wes bourne i must decline.
post #70 of 74
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday View Post
If someone posted a traditional, handmade Tracht, I wouldn't hold it to the same standards as a modern Zegna suit, no. These things are relative. If I did not want rustic shoes from a small European shoemaking operation, I would not buy rustic shoes from a small European shoemaking operation.
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indeed these things are relative, but then to ensure relativity one has to compare like for like, and not a suit vs traditional costume..
more liek a suit made by x (where x is the flavour of the moment) vs one made by say.. a small outfit in china or another underdeveloped country.
post #71 of 74
fritzl, I looked up your Operation Paprika... My previous comment re '(you) having money at stake' seems out of line and I apologize for that. I think you've taken up a good cause and wish you the best of luck. No snark.
post #72 of 74
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Originally Posted by fritzl View Post
doc,

not to derail this thread, but i haven't seen a "rustic" shoe through "operation paprika".

maybe the VASH has something in this vain. no pun intended

*sigh*

Doc was essentially trying to defend you, stating that some people like apples instead of oranges for various personal and subjective reasons. You come back with "my shoes are not apples, they are oranges! maybe your shoes are apples!"

I hope this is due to a language barrier and not an example of how tactless you are.
post #73 of 74
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Originally Posted by T4phage View Post
indeed these things are relative, but then to ensure relativity one has to compare like for like, and not a suit vs traditional costume..
more liek a suit made by [i]x[/] (where x is the flavour of the moment) vs one made by say.. a small outfit in china or another underdeveloped country.

I suppose what I'm arguing is that this is a form of traditional costume. I would not buy paprika if I didn't want paprika flavor. That's its charm, as I see it.

I recently visited with a Mennonite cobbler. His work is rustic, but that doesn't make it bad work. I hoped he still made shoes by hand, but he doesn't. I didn't expect such shoes would look like EGs. I would have been disappointed if they did.

We talk a lot about preserving how things were done in the past, but are we only interested in that which serves the modern RTW aesthetic? Does anyone think the average person in 1896 was wearing shoes that looked like modern Lobbs?

I'd like to think we care about traditional manufacturing for its own value, not just because it makes for nice advertising copy.
post #74 of 74
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Originally Posted by Wes Bourne View Post
fritzl, I looked up your Operation Paprika... My previous comment re '(you) having money at stake' seems out of line and I apologize for that. I think you've taken up a good cause and wish you the best of luck. No snark.

I'm not getting involved in passing judgement on this current Paprikagate but I can confirm the fact Fritzl is a real passionate individual who promotes the Hungarian shoemaking industry with all his heart and soul.

I do not believe money and commercial profit are behind his Paprika operation..
He just wants to promote the artisans he loves...

He always had been very vocal on the subject of mittle Europa's shoe making industry..

I do the same with Anthony Delos ...I like the guy and I love his shoes and there is nothing sinister behind my endorsement..
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