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Did you find it? I thought it was awfully good. They had nice wine service overall.

Found the '10. Had it with some oysters. Love it.

http://www.winehouse.com/product.php?sku=910759&d=ALL
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I forgot to mention that finding that white in LA introduced me to a cool warehouse wine store hidden next to a 405 on ramp.
is that wine house? it's probably the biggest retailer in the area, and certainly one of the best.
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It's not only the scores, though. They are problematic and interesting, and yeah, everybody looks at them. The way they changed something that cultures had used for millennia in a few years is staggering. There is more, though. The way people start to identify with grapes and/or regions and judge other wine drinkers based on them. The way people have opinions on wines from books and the internet when they haven't ever experienced them. And not just wines that are too expensive to afford, but the way people have fully formed opinions about entire regions. Listening to somebody pick wine is like a live Rorschach test. I honestly think it is one of the areas in our culture which lays bare all of our collective disfunctions.
this is a really good post. The "opinions on wines from books and the internet when they haven't experienced them" is, to me, really irritating. And I am most certainly guilty on a number of these, and it's something that I'm becoming more aware of (and accordingly I try to alter my prior opinions) as I learn and drink more.
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the scores are just a symptom. it's like society was confronted with a new luxury consumable with which it had almost no experience but on which it could spend endless amounts of money. so it immediately went about trying to figure out how not to look foolish while spending as much as possible. that includes importing prejudices wholesale from societies that we believe have more information than we do. the french accent in wine is the same as the british accent on pbs -- they can say the most outlandish things and people will just nod their heads, trying to look wise. for all the shit parker has taken, he's popular because his palate matches that of most neophyte wine drinkers. he didn't form the market, he represents the market. i love wine about as much as the next guy, and i've been around it a lot longer than most (i'm old! get off my lawn!) but the utter silliness of much of what is written, said and believed about it boggles me.
also a really good post.
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is that wine house? it's probably the biggest retailer in the area, and certainly one of the best.

yeah, had never been there before. pretty cleared out from the holidays when i went but they had a ton of this stuff. i almost always go to KL
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yeah, had never been there before. pretty cleared out from the holidays when i went but they had a ton of this stuff. i almost always go to KL

K&L is always a good choice. mission wines in sopas is small, but interesting. topline in glendale is also good for different things (note: this is not a list of southern california wine stores, but just some of the ones near mordy).
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mission wines in sopas is small, but interesting..
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Ryan ‎ - Sep 12, 2008
NEVER GO HERE!!!!! CHRIS IS COCKY, RUDE, ARROGANT AND HIS WINES ARE OVERPRICED/SUCKY. THIS GUY REALLY HAS HIS HEAD UP HIS A-S-S. PLEASE SUPPORT YOUR OTHER LOCAL LIQUOR SHOPS. WHY PAY MORE FOR ZERO HELP AND MORE ATTITUDE THAN ROSIE ODONNEL ON THE RAG.

lol, I'll check it out. I love that part of South Pasadena. I always expect to see fireflies.
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if you want to learn about wine, to understand it, the best way is to find a good, small store that will direct you and then trust them to guide you through the stages. buying random shit because you read something about it is frustrating ... like dressing in the dark.
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I guess the best I can do is to try to be aware of when I am being silly, but that is hard on its own.
Guys like us are never silly.
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The "opinions on wines from books and the internet when they haven't experienced them" is, to me, really irritating. And I am most certainly guilty on a number of these, and it's something that I'm becoming more aware of (and accordingly I try to alter my prior opinions) as I learn and drink more.
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if you want to learn about wine, to understand it, the best way is to find a good, small store that will direct you and then trust them to guide you through the stages. buying random shit because you read something about it is frustrating ... like dressing in the dark.

This is absolutely key. And honestly, it's the same way that you should talk to your sommelier. Get into a conversation with the store staff, let them know what you've liked in the past and why, and then hopefully, you'll be able to trust their recommendation.
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this is a really good post. The "opinions on wines from books and the internet when they haven't experienced them" is, to me, really irritating. And I am most certainly guilty on a number of these, and it's something that I'm becoming more aware of (and accordingly I try to alter my prior opinions) as I learn and drink more.
also a really good post.

Referring to the above, and the post mentioning Parker, et. al. What is everyone's opinion on him and  on Wine Spectator's ratings? Shameless PR/ Marketing or actually respected? Forgive me if ever sounding clueless but the way wine is sold in the US makes it mostly hit and miss, the incredible variety is overwhelming, and sellers mostly have no idea.   I am used to purveyors recommending, then accepting returns/ compensating. It seems that most people I know here are just as perplexed and decide by price level " it has to be better because it costs more". Other than local liquor store reccomendations, what do you guys use as a referrence?

 

 

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No doubt this is most of it, but I think there is also something in our makeup, our insecurities which makes us particularly susceptible. It's hard, though, and as Eric says below about Spanish wines, we all catch ourselves doing some of it. I think the point about not wanting to look silly is key. Think of how stressful being the one who orders wine at dinner with relatively new acquaintances can be. Hell, imagine how freaked out some of your friends must be when they are charged with buying wine for your arrival at their house. I guess the best I can do is to try to be aware of when I am being silly, but that is hard on its own.

Over Xmas I almost shame-facedly ordered an SVD Kosta Browne thinking my dinner guest would not like it. Guilty as charged...but I ordered it anyway. devil.gif
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i put the pulled dough on the peel (on top of cornmeal) and then arrange the ingredients on that. getting it onto the stone is a very quick, very emphatic push-pull motion. shouldn't stick as long as you used enough cornmeal. real pizzaiolos can arrange the pizza on a board and then slide the peel under it. alas, i am lacking in that talent.

I know this is not very Italian, but I put the dough on parchment paper, then on the peel. Then I slide the parchment onto the stone, and slide it out. Doesn't change heat transfer, it's clean and it allows you to prepare one pizza while the other is cooking.
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trillin is great. of course, i wonder what the ACI of people who sit around talking about men's clothes is?
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trillin is great. of course, i wonder what the ACI of people who sit around talking about men's clothes is?

82?
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trillin is great. of course, i wonder what the ACI of people who sit around talking about men's clothes is?

Based on my survey, having met too many people here, the ACI is actually pretty low. Much lower than I might have guessed.
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