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post #1 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:27am
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I passed the MPRE with a 101. Such a waste of time... I studied about 6-7 hours. I could have been browsing SF during that time!

For the uninitiated: The MPRE is the ethics portion of the bar exam. It is a joke and the vast majority pass. Passing score is 80-86 depending on your jurisdiction. So any score higher than an 86 shows that you cared too much and wasted time studying for it.

Oh well.
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post #2 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:30am
Want a medal?
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post #3 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:35am
The concept of studying for an ethics exam is funny to me. It always seemed to me that you're either an ethical person or you're not. I'm guessing the one on the bar exam probably deals with procedural stuff relevant to lawyers like conflicts of interest, but still...
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post #4 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:39am
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I passed the MPRE with a 101.
Congrats!
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post #5 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:41am
It's not things like "should you steal money from your clients" it is much more pedantic BS about what kind of organizations a judge's wife can belong to, when a former government lawyer can represent a private client against his former agency, and where the line between hiding evidence and protecting lawyer-client privilege lies.

Read the Model Rules of Professional Conduct some time, it is far from common sense or intuitive.
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post #6 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:42am
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I passed the MPRE with a 101... I studied about 6-7 hours.

smalltimer.
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post #7 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:43am
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The concept of studying for an ethics exam is funny to me. It always seemed to me that you're either an ethical person or you're not. I'm guessing the one on the bar exam probably deals with procedural stuff relevant to lawyers like conflicts of interest, but still...

Ive always thought the same. Jesus H! Is ethics as unknown to would be lawyers as tort law before studying the subject?

The problem with the law is that it is exists at the very lowest rung of the ethics ladder. It is the still point at which the state slowly and methodically rises up off its barnacled ass and begins the process of possible sanction. Anything a hair more "ethical" and even if you are essentially a craven pig you might as well be Albert Schwietzer(sp).
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post #8 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:46am
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Ive always thought the same. Jesus H! Is ethics as unknown to would be lawyers as tort law before studying the subject?
Sure, could you just recite for me real quick the exceptions to lawyer-client privilege? Go ahead and note what is covered by that concept as well. Hint, there are only 7 answers that won't get you disbarred, so I'm sure its intuitive enough to wing it, right?
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post #9 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:47am
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Want a medal?

Absolutely not. I want my time back.
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post #10 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:49am
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Absolutely not. I want my time back.

Depending on the state you might get extra credit on your bar exam for a high MPRE score (seriously).

I am not in one of those states, and feel like a chump for getting a 105 when I needed a 75. Oh well, better than the opposite problem.
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post #11 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:55am
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Sure, could you just recite for me real quick the exceptions to lawyer-client privilege? Go ahead and note what is covered by that concept as well. Hint, there are only 7 answers that won't get you disbarred, so I'm sure its intuitive enough to wing it, right?

See the edit of my previous post.
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post #12 of 37
4/6/10 at 1:58am
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The concept of studying for an ethics exam is funny to me. It always seemed to me that you're either an ethical person or you're not. I'm guessing the one on the bar exam probably deals with procedural stuff relevant to lawyers like conflicts of interest, but still...

You would think so perhaps but I've taken a course in Biomedical Ethics in undergrad + ethics in medical school and a couple months ago gave a lecture to a small group session of pre-med students on ethics and it's not as clear cut as just saying "do the right thing cause it's ethical".

Some of it is. Some isn't.

Then again, the more "complicated stuff" is largely concerned with with legality instead of morality/ethics.
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post #13 of 37
4/6/10 at 2:01am
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Originally Posted by Jumbie View Post
Then again, the more "complicated stuff" is largely concerned with with legality instead of morality/ethics.

This is what it is. Not what is ethical, but what could possibly get you in trouble. Its the study of brinksmanship, not ethics.

Man, Im on my high horse tonight!
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post #14 of 37
4/6/10 at 2:03am
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It's not things like "should you steal money from your clients" it is much more pedantic BS about what kind of organizations a judge's wife can belong to, when a former government lawyer can represent a private client against his former agency, and where the line between hiding evidence and protecting lawyer-client privilege lies. Read the Model Rules of Professional Conduct some time, it is far from common sense or intuitive.
In other words it is not ethics but rather a code of deontology. In other words rules of conduct.
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post #15 of 37
4/6/10 at 2:03am
Passing the ethics exam doesn't make you any more or less ethical. BTW, I read the prep material the night before for a couple of hours and scored a 123.
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