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post #16 of 89
An undimpled FIH always looks like the dimple is hiding over to the side. Given it's asymmetrical nature, the FIH is always perched between nonchalant style and sloppiness. Not dimpling pushes it in the latter direction.

Otherwise, that's a fantastic outfit Mr. Alden has there.
post #17 of 89
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Originally Posted by Roger

Another factor in this issue concerns the structural nature of the tie itself. Some constructions seem to resist dimpling, in my experience.

True. That's why I always test-tie a tie before I buy. After all, ties are all about the knot.

Personally, I like a FIH with a dimple.

post #18 of 89
I don`t think dimples are required for good style at all. To dimple or not is a choice...just like using a FIH or Windsor knot is a choice...neither is more stylish than the other.

It`s the whole package that makes one stylish, and finding what`s right for you.

I prefer to dimple , but some dimples I see (the really symmetrical ones) look like butt cracks
post #19 of 89
I'll come down on the other side. I like a rather loose knot but NO dimple. Just personal preference I guess.
post #20 of 89
I hate to be dogmatic, but I think the lack of a dimple here ruins the look completely.

I also don't like the tie itself, but that's another story.
post #21 of 89
It all depends. Casual suit, no dimple. Business suit, gotta have the dimple. It's pretty easy. I don't know why dimpleing is such a big deal.
post #22 of 89
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Originally Posted by montecristo#4
I hate to be dogmatic, but I think the lack of a dimple here ruins the look completely.

I also don't like the tie itself, but that's another story.

Agreed. Without at dimple, the tie looks like a clip-on.

I always thought dimpling a tie was one of those shibboleths that distinguished the high-born from the low.
post #23 of 89
The Charvet tie looks very modern. I was surprised when Alden "judged it closest" to the Gary Cooper tie, but I really like it myself.
post #24 of 89
there is something very weird about that beard.

i find it a little scary
post #25 of 89
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Originally Posted by whoopee
The Charvet tie looks very modern. I was surprised when Alden "judged it closest" to the Gary Cooper tie, but I really like it myself.
Since I mentioned this tie earlier, let me note that I have no evidence that it was judged "closest" to the Gary Cooper tie by anyone. My understanding is that the search for a club tie was inspired by the Gary Cooper tie. Whoopee, perhaps you have more specific information about this. Two of my acquaintances have this tie and have found it to be truly spectacular--as would be expected, I guess, in a tie designed for a special purpose and made by Charvet. However, it's not to everyone's taste, just as seeing a dimple in a tie isn't to everyone's taste. I really think that that is the bottom line here. A number of forumers have indicated that they prefer the look of a dimple. Some have said they don't. Other authorities have weighed in in other arenas. Wear a dimple if you like it. Don't if you don't like it. There's no "rule" here, just personal preference.
post #26 of 89
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Originally Posted by m@T
there is something very weird about that beard.
i find it a little scary
This kind of comment is really juvenile and uncalled for. The thread is about dimples in ties, for God's sake. I now very much regret showing Mr. Alden wearing what is a beautiful tie in a very tasteful manner, in order to make a small point about how a tie can look very elegant without a dimple, and how this view is shared by a man with truly impeccable taste and style. I have removed my earlier picture and reference.

M@t, get a grip. If someone photographed you out of context this way, with part of your chin showing and down to the middle of your chest, you might look pretty "weird" too. And I can assure you that if you grow up to look half as distinguished as Mr. Alden, you will be able to count yourself lucky.
post #27 of 89
The Duke of Windsor had custom made ties and very rarely wore them without a dimple for a spot of difference. The Duke of Windsor changed the way men wore clothes, Im not sure the other two guys mentioned will have the same lasting effect.

The Charvet necktie makes one of the most beautiful dimples in the tie universe and it is especially curious that one would eschew dimpling it.

Here is my take on the reasons someone should dimple their necktie. It also has some suggestions on tying your tie in general. Additionally, that 85 ways to tie your necktie is a great book.

http://www.filmnoirbuff.com/article/the-art-of-tie-chi
post #28 of 89
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Originally Posted by Roger
It's absolutely not as one-sided as the previous posts would suggest. Some like the look of the dimple--perhaps even the majority these days--but that could just be fashion as opposed to style. Others who have reached a certain level of maturity in their own personal style choose not to dimple. It's much like the choice to wear or eschew tie clasps. Although current fashion may argue against wearing tie clasps, experienced and confident men may choose to do so. It's worth noting that the redoubtable Manton indicates in his recent book that to dimple or not should be seen as a personal choice--with no clear sartorial precept supporting either choice--and no less an authority than the Duke of Windsor chose not to. In addition, the founder of the London Lounge, Michael Alden, doesn't seem to consider a dimple part of good style, as the following picture shows (Mr. Alden is modeling the London Lounge Club Tie, a spectacular Charvet). If no dimple works for these guys, it's sure as hell worth considering. In the end, it's purely personal preference, and when it comes to that, it never hurts to be in the knowing, but stylish, minority.

BTW, how often does this topic come up each year? Four, five times? The question can be easily answered: it's purely personal preference. If you're insecure, perhaps you should be sure to dimple. If not, do whatever you think looks best.


I tie my tie and look to see if I am pleased with it. If I like it and it has a dimple... fine. If I like it and it does not... also fine. If I do not like the way it looks, I retie.

While people may or may not prefer the way that Alden's tie is tied (I am on the fence myself), there is no doubting that the entire ensemble is truly pleasing. To me, one of the best things about it is how discreet yet natural the pocket square is. It is a gar cry from the flaming bright silks that many prefer when they are trying for elegance.
post #29 of 89
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Originally Posted by Film_Noir_Buff
Here is my take on the reasons someone should dimple their necktie. It also has some suggestions on tying your tie in general. Additionally, that 85 ways to tie your necktie is a great book.
For some reason the print is very faint on the page you directed us to--at least on my monitor. It is essentially unreadable.
post #30 of 89
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Originally Posted by Roger
For some reason the print is very faint on the page you directed us to--at least on my monitor. It is essentially unreadable.

Interesting, Roger. Sorry about that.

Hmm, I clicked on it and it's working for me.

If other people are having the same trouble, please let me know. I will take a look at it from my end.
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