An improvement?

attached pics of the fit with small as opposed to medium (as it was before) TBH, seems like its the exact same fit as the graphic tee I wore before. I laid it flat down on top of the old graphic tee and it matched up pretty perfectly. Is this too tight? Attachment 41820 Attachment 41821

Originally Posted by Listi

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When I say beat to **** bubbleboys, I do mean raw -> 1 year of wear later -> beat to ****. Not funky distressed denim a la abercrombie, that stuff is dumb. Dark/raw/undistressed denim is good, just make sure your fit is on point. Slim but not quite skinny is probably the best if you want to have a bit of an "older look" than your average SW&D goer.
ah ok, sorry, didn't understand

Stick with the Medum, the Small looks too shrunken on you. Not only is it too short in length, but it's giving you a rather feminine silhouette. Despite the negative comments here about how the Medium fits you, I think it fits you ok and is well within the realm of acceptability.

Realize that t-shirt fit is a matter of personal preference and some of the posters telling you it doesn't fit well display an obvious bias towards tight fits in their WAYWT pics. Nothing wrong with that, but is that your preference too? Maybe you should ask yourself which size you feel more comfortable wearing in public.

I used to wear really tight fitting tees myself, but lately I've been backing away from that and heading towards slightly loser fits. One thing I have noticed is that as you add more visual interest and better execution to your overall outfit, the fit of everything starts to matter slightly less. Thus I feel like I was using the tight fitting tees almost like a crutch to make an otherwise bland and uninspired fit look passable.

Spend some time looking through the hundreds of pictures in the WAYWT thread and you'll see that many of best looking posters (e.g. impolyt_one, Fuuma) often wear clothing that looks slightly relaxed in fit, yet they still manage to look better than most without looking too "try hard" or "gay".

godamn it you ***** are too critical.

***** stay with that med and just run it through the dryer

tbh i buy 3 packs of 2xist vnecks for like 15 bucks each.

do that.

cheaper than a single br tee shirt (probably)

lurk moar buy less.

tight fitting tees are stupid unless you are anorexic like half of the people on this board or are jacket as ****. You want a tee that drapes nicely.

Originally Posted by BubblyMasquerade

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godamn it you ***** are too critical.

***** stay with that med and just run it through the dryer

tbh i buy 3 packs of 2xist vnecks for like 15 bucks each.

do that.

cheaper than a single br tee shirt (probably)

lurk moar buy less.

tight fitting tees are stupid unless you are anorexic like half of the people on this board or are jacket as ****. You want a tee that drapes nicely.

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Thanks for all the helpful feedback guys. Really appreciate it Stupid question but what would you call "cool socks"? In my entire life, I've worn either white athletic socks or black or brown dress socks.
Well, since you seem to be leaning toward low-tops, I would say a colored no-show sock that peeked out of the top would add a really neat flash of color. Basically, since you're wearing all t-shirts and jeans, you need visual interest and complexity. One of the ways to do this is to have accents of color where possible. If you're wearing dress shoes, you can go for patterns: argyle, check, and (my personal favorite) horizontal stripes. Coordinate these with your pants, and you'll be looking sharp. For instance: when I'm wearing a white t, black Levis, and my beatle boots, I usually add a pair of white/black/grey/lavender horizonally striped long socks. When I'm sitting or, I don't know, jogging vigorously, the stripes ore visible between the end of the boot and the beginning of the jean. For such a minor detail, I've gotten quite a few complements from people who noticed it.

Originally Posted by bubbleboys

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Also looking at these surface 2 air accessories. I'm not sure if I'm looking at the right brand (http://www.surfacetoairaccessories.com/rings.html) but the "rings" look like brass knuckles and the rest of the stuff seems to follow sword or key motifs. These are good motifs?
Yeah, I'm sorry about that. I sent you to their web site after not having checked it in months, and I feel like the brass knuckle rings would be stupid-looking (and make it hard to play cello) and weaponry jewelry almost never looks good. The keys are neat, but key necklaces are a little trendy right now. If you like it enough to buy it, go for it, but it's more of a design model. All of the S2A jewelry is really quiet; it's a simple form at the end of a simple chain. Stuff like that is easy to wear confidently. However, you might be best finding the actual pieces from other places.

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Would FF Dockers be considered "non-schlubby khakis"?
No, they're pretty schlubby. What most of the world thinks of as "nice" pants are baggy, shape-distorting, and terrible. What I mean is, if you find a pair that fits like your favorite jeans and isn't too smooth/glossy (because you don't want to mix that texture with the rougher texture of your t and sneakers), that would be non-schlubby. If you like J.Crew bottoms, maybe this.

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The Puma 917s look nice, I'll go pick some up and post up. A really stupid question but what kind of belt goes with sneakers. I don't imagine that if I got some red puma 917s that I should wear a red belt. At the same time, a leather belt just seems...at odds with the casual puma 917s.
Yeah, definitely. I feel like beat-up leather or a fabric belt (like, staying with J.Crew, this but without the weird details) would be best with sneakers. Generally, coordinate your belt with your outfit, and then coordinate your sneakers with your outfit, and they should look good together. I thought the overall tightness of the new shirt was good, but it was definitely short. A t should generally fall about an inch past the belt. Maybe try a tall size, if it's offered? I'm a little biased in my advice to "size down" because I'm short as well as skinny.

stick to a medium. plus, it will shrink with a wash/dry.

small is the exact right size in chest/shoulders imo

but is a little on the short side and will be fucked if it shrinks.

throwing the med in the dryer/hot wash might shrink it to a small size? I shrink the hell outta a lot of clothes... I wear zara super slim fit tees in small (17 p2p i think) i dunno your chest measurements/height, but they are decently long for their slimness. a med is probably 18p2p

thanks for the second round of feedback really appreciate all the help and guidance would be completely lost without it so I bumped back up to the medium and it fits much better now than back in the picture. I think it's because I hadn't worked out for a few days when that picture was taken and when I don't work out for a few days, I "deflate". I was at the mall going to BR to switch back to medium when I passed by these shoes I'm going to hold off on the brand of shoe though I'm sure that won't stop you from identifying it. The shoe caught my eye as a nice casual laidback shoe that wasn't "schlubby" but at the same time wasn't formal. I also picked up this belt. I'll hold off on the brand again for now What do you guys think? I've accepted that any clothes I pick out now won't be 100% there. If I did have the clothes 100% there, more than likely, I wouldn't be comfortable wearing them so I'll take small jumps and leaps towards becoming better dressed. So step in the right direction? @Makeshift Robot: been looking at the accessories, etc and browsing the site but gotta say I'm not ready yet to jump to wearing accessories (brass knuckles, sword motifs, etc). I'll start with a non-plastic watch though. What do you guys think about Fossil? It's the only "fashion watch" place that comes to mind. Thanks again everyone

shoes are heinous

the belts nice looking, but i bet the leather is lacking and you paid to much for what it is...

Those are the worst shoes I've seen in quite awhile.

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shoes are heinous

the belts nice looking, but i bet the leather is lacking and you paid to much for what it is...

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Those are the worst shoes I've seen in quite awhile.

wow, i was really offbase there...and here I was thinking that I'd made a good judgement on those shoes

this might obviously be a difficult question to answer since it is a question of judgement, but what is so heinous about those shoes?
hoping to maybe understand why they are heinous so I know what not to look for in the future

there is so much wrong with those shoes i feel i cant begin...

they look like sketchers hiking loafers lol

Everything is wrong with those shoes. I'd prefer to see someone walk around in Crocs and show they truely don't give a damn rather than see a guy walk around in those and think he's fly.

Honestly, just buy a pair of Clarks Desert Boots. I'd rather not see another person fall into the DB trap, but they're inoffensive, albeit bland as ****, and will eliminate you making a terrible mistake on another pair of Sketcher abominations.

Eliminate "casual" from your vocabulary when discussing clothing. The worst noob transgressions can be directly linked back to them seeking out something "casual".

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wow, i was really offbase there...and here I was thinking that I'd made a good judgement on those shoes

this might obviously be a difficult question to answer since it is a question of judgement, but what is so heinous about those shoes?
hoping to maybe understand why they are heinous so I know what not to look for in the future

They are shaped like a running shoe and have the peeling up thing at the front.

They have that boat shoe/indy boot stitching on the toe area but aren't boat shoes or indies. (i don't really like the vamp stitching on either to be honest but they're SF approved)

they have mesh and holes.


Basically they're a running shoe:boat shoe hybrid, which is disgusting. Pretty much all hybrids are **** anyway, but why would you make a hybrid of a running shoe?

The belt is nice.


Do you want a nice casual shoe which isn't too schlubby?

Go SF approved.

Clarks Desert Boots: any colour will work but Grey Suede, Beeswax, Sand suede or flint suede are all extremely versatile.

The leather converse chucks are also versatile on the casual end.

Both shirts looked fine on you, just go with whichever suits your tastes more and you feel most comfortable in. Pulling a look off is mostly about self-confidence. I personally would wear the size small, but that's just my taste.

Shoes no, belt yes.

Btw, my own experience with the J. Crew Vintage slim-fit jeans are that they look great new but stretch out horribly over time. I'd advise to wash them as little as possible or hand wash/ hang dry. As always, ymmv.