how do you pronounce "DOC"?

name is pretty self explainatory. is it "dee oh see" or "DOK"

The former unless you want to try to pronounce a mean consonant cluster when it receives stato garantito.

Originally Posted by globetrotter

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name is pretty self explainatory. is it "dee oh see" or "DOK"


It's "dee-oh-see" (I don't believe that the Italians say "dok").

thanks. I have been saying the first for years, I seem to remember that was the way it was prononced. there is a resteraunt near our house called "DOC" run by an italian, last night an aquantaince said he was going there and prononced it "DOK". he said taht he had lived in italy for 3 years and that was the italian way of prononcing it, and I wasn't in the mood to argue. just checking.

Well... I guess "DOC" might be a better name than "Denominazione di Origine Controllata"

Originally Posted by globetrotter

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thanks. I have been saying the first for years, I seem to remember that was the way it was prononced. there is a resteraunt near our house called "DOC" run by an italian, last night an aquantaince said he was going there and prononced it "DOK". he said taht he had lived in italy for 3 years and that was the italian way of prononcing it, and I wasn't in the mood to argue. just checking.

I believe that DOC (the restaurant) is owned by the folks who own Pizza DOC in Lincoln Square (Lawrence Avenue, near Lincoln Avenue).

Originally Posted by ld111134

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I believe that DOC (the restaurant) is owned by the folks who own Pizza DOC in Lincoln Square (Lawrence Avenue, near Lincoln Avenue).

yes, that is what I believe, too. if you haven't eaten there, it is recomended. I like Ricardo better, but I can walk to DOC in about 3 minutes

Originally Posted by globetrotter

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name is pretty self explainatory. is it "dee oh see" or "DOK"
It's like DOK as the C in doc is a "hard" C in Italian

Originally Posted by pabloj

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It's like DOK as the C in doc is a "hard" C in Italian

But is it supposed to be a WORD? Or is it D.O.C. just like DOCG meaning an appellation?

It's D.O.C. as it means "Denominazione di Origine Controllata" (like D.O.C.G.) but no one does pronounce it that way, it's pronounced as it was a single DOC word.
And yes, the concept it's similar to AOC.

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well, those more refined and aware of the French AOC tend to pronounce it as "dee oh see" while the rest of the word uses DOC as "dok"

Originally Posted by pabloj

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It's D.O.C. as it means "Denominazione di Origine Controllata" (like D.O.C.G.) but no one does pronounce it that way, it's pronounced as it was a single DOC word.
And yes, the concept it's similar to AOC.

thanks. so I guess all of us non-italians who thought we were cool were prononcing it wrong for years. oh well.

Originally Posted by pabloj

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It's D.O.C. as it means "Denominazione di Origine Controllata" (like D.O.C.G.) but no one does pronounce it that way, it's pronounced as it was a single DOC word.
And yes, the concept it's similar to AOC.

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well, those more refined and aware of the French AOC tend to pronounce it as "dee oh see" while the rest of the word uses DOC as "dok"

Huh-

Well... the Ital's I know all say D-O-C... never heard one say "doc(k)"

Do they dock-guh for DOCG?

Originally Posted by pabloj

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It's like DOK as the C in doc is a "hard" C in Italian

It doesn't have anything to do with the pronunciation of the terminal consonant, though. Some Italians use it as an intensive adjective ('Sei un giocatore doc!') equivalent to our 'true' like in 'true hero' but it's pronounced with the long round 'o' like in the English 'oak'. DOCG is sometimes pronounced 'dohc-gi' (IPA: something like doʊk'-dʒə), but in my somewhat inbred experience the letters are always pronounced individually. There really isn't a true 'Italian' way to say some words, especially recent introductions and loanwords since a lot of the language is very dialectical and some of the really old Italians speak very differently from the younger ones in the cities (and they let them know it).

It's not pronounced like 'dock', and since you're speaking English it would make sense to pronounce it congruently with the language you're speaking -- unless you also say 'put the pe-ah-no under the cor-nee-chee in the ver-ahn-da'.

Originally Posted by why

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It doesn't have anything to do with the pronunciation of the terminal consonant, though. Some Italians use it as an intensive adjective ('Sei giocatore doc!') equivalent to our 'true' like in 'true hero' but it's pronounced with the long round 'o' like in the English 'oak'. DOCG is sometimes pronounced 'dohc-gi' (IPA: something like doʊk'-dʒə), but in my somewhat inbred experience the letters are always pronounced individually. There really isn't a true 'Italian' way to say some words, especially recent introductions and loanwords since a lot of the language is very dialectical and some of the really old Italians speak very differently from the younger ones in the cities (and they let them know it).

It's not pronounced like 'dock', and since you're speaking English it would make sense to pronounce it congruently with the language you're speaking -- unless you also say 'put the pe-ah-no under the cor-nee-chee in the ver-ahn-da'.

Anyway... as it is not really a word... I think I'll still stay D.O.C.

the italian winemakers i know pronounce it like dohk ... with a slightly long o.