There is a lot of misinformation about Grand Seiko in this thread. First of all, there is little if any hand finishing in a Grand Seiko watch. That does not detract from the refinement of the finish, but it is a completely different look from what you see in highly decorated Swiss movements. The edges of the plates are razor sharp and the embellishments are exceedingly uniform. That has an appeal, but it's not comparable to traditional top-notch Swiss finishing. Second, while they are great, unique watches, they really do not compare to Patek or Lange and the like. Even if one concedes that Grand Seiko finishing is merely different, and not worse per se, there is still no question that its movements aren't nearly as elaborate or elegant in design as what the best Swiss makers achieve. Grand Seiko movements tend to be very utilitarian-looking, with very simple, easy-to-service formats, and very few aesthetic frills. It takes a lot of research and development to make a movement's plates, gears, and springs blend together in an artistic way, while achieving a desired set of functions. Seiko gets a lot of credit for doing so much work in-house (more than any other maker, perhaps), but that does not make their movements comparable to Swiss ones costing multiples more. Third, Grand Seiko's true strength is the thoroughness of its adjustment and regulation process. Each movement--I believe--is adjusted to six positions, as opposed to the usual four or five. I forget the tolerances they allow for precision and accuracy, but they are very low and exceed what is required for COSC's chronometer status in Switzerland. They even supply you with a certificate showing your particular watch's test results. That level of performance transparency is unique. Fourth, Credor is beneath Grand Seiko in Seiko's hierarchy. Grand Seiko is Seiko's top line. The truth is, there really is no Swiss competitor doing what Grand Seiko does, so you can't really say Grand Seiko watches are just outright better than same-price Swiss watches. After all, they start at $3,500 for mechanical models--within striking distance of the base MSRP for IWC and JLC. Is Grand Seiko's time-only 9S54 better than an IWC finished and upgraded ETA ebauche? I don't think there is a clear, objective answer. You should pick a Grand Seiko watch because you like its distinctly Japanese aesthetic and approach to design, and because it is an extremely competent, dependable performer--not because it's a run-away bargain. Here's another way to put things in perspective: it's not like you save a lot on labor by making watches in Japan instead of Switzerland. What would make you think that Seiko is making a Patek-equivalent watches for a fourth of the price?