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post #61 of 74
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Originally Posted by uhurit View Post
Dressing up when going to a car dealership to buy a car is pure nonsense. If anything, it is a tell that that person is overcompensating and has shitty credit or serious negative equity. Someone who is dressed like a zhlob doesn't imply a "couldn't care less" highroller either...The truth is that none of it means anything at all. Dress codes don't exist in this area.

I didn't say he told me to wear a suit, but there's a lot of space between shorts, t-shirts, and tennis shoes and a suit. Where I live dressing up a bit can be as simple as putting on a nice shirt and a pair of jeans that don't have holes, while leaving the baseball cap at home. The idea is that you want to look like you care, and this isn't particularly hard to accomplish given what the average American wears on the weekend, especially in the South.

We have excellent credit and got a ridiculously good deal on that vehicle, by the way.
post #62 of 74
^^^

It's all a matter of personal preference how to dress and what image to project...more about how you feel about that particular event. The truth is that an average Joe/Jane are usually dressed so poorly, especially on week-ends, that a skilled sales person never qualifies anyone based on how they dress. They recognize it for what it is, and generally know that anyone can buy virtually anything, regardless of appearances.

A schmuck of a salesperson who overqualifies, is always at the bottom and loses sales
post #63 of 74
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
I wear whatever I feel like when going shopping....whatever I would wear that day. I don't care what a retail associate thinks about me or what I am wearing. If I get poor service, I won't return.
I feel the same. I know that appearance matters, however, an SA anywhere should be more concerned about my actual ability to pay, not whether I look the part. More times than a few I've stopped by the hardware store on my way home from work, and dressed in a suit, so that I'd have what I need to work on a project that evening. By the same token last Friday I had been running errands when I realized that a jeweler in town was having a two-day sale and might have an item I wanted on deep discount. I wasn't dressed up by any stretch, but I had no problem getting service or the item at the price I wanted to pay.

On occasion I have had issues with SAs when purchasing all sorts of items, everything from small ticket items to cars, regardless of what I was wearing; but fortunately, there is always another place to shop.
post #64 of 74
I was in high school at the time and I must have been about 16 and went to buy my mom a Gucci purse from Gucci at xmas time. Got ignored for 15 minutes until a nice lady showed up and helped me pick a drawstring purse (my mom loves those). It cost a boatload then $495.
post #65 of 74
The article below references both author Malcolm Gladwell and one of the star car salesmen cited in Gladwell's 2005 book "Blink!: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking", Bob Golomb.

Like some of personal examples provided in this thread (eg the successful sale of the Audi to the son of the Wachovia executive), Bob Golomb applies the same "golden rule" to all prospective customers -- he treats them the same and refuses to make assumptions based on their dress, appearance, race, gender, age, etc. The 17 year-old kid who walks into the showroom might be the son of wealthy i-banker who sent his son ahead to scout out a new car. Conversely, the guy rocking a bespoke suit with the Jaeger-LeCoultre watch might be insolvent with $250,000 in credit card debt.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-be...g_b_60907.html

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Tim Berry, President and Founder, Palo Alto Software
Posted: August 17, 2007 03:38 PM


Thin Slicing Business Nightmare

Today's Guardian reports on a nasty mistake made by a fancy hotel:

Staff at Cancun's five-star Hotel Coral Beach appear to have assumed this was another street vendor or beggar, so without asking questions they ordered her to leave. Except the woman was Rigoberta Menchu, the Nobel peace prizewinner, Unesco goodwill ambassador, Guatemalan presidential candidate and figurehead for indigenous rights.

Be honest. You're running a hotel at a Mexico beach resort and a small hispanic-looking lady wearing typical Mayan dress walks in. Is it not just plain stupid to ask her to leave, regardless of how she looks? Isn't there some easy way to establish, without insulting anybody, whether or not somebody belongs in the hotel lobby? Or are the "locals" such a problem that you'll let this happen? And if it does happen, will you rationalize?


So what do you think, is this good business? Keep in mind, as you consider the question, that this hotel has probably done that same kind of thing a thousand times to people who weren't Nobel Prize winners. So have the other big hotels along that same strip of beach. And most of their guests are probably glad when they did. And then there's that exception to the rule.

Personally, I don't think the lesson here is how bad the Hotel Coral Beach is. I think it's that lots of people make this same mistake all the time, and we need to be reminded that every so often one of those stereotypical-looking people is carrying around the Nobel Peace Prize.

The business point here isn't a matter of ethics or moral right or wrong, but rather, what's good for business. I'm assuming that this ugly incident isn't going to improve the business performance of the Coral Beach in Cancun. Yes, I know we say in business that there's no bad publicity, but then again, come on, this is bad publicity.

Today's stupid hotel moment is a great example of what Malcolm Gladwell calls "thin slicing" in his book Blink. Thin slicing might be called snap judgment. Gladwell shows that it's powerful when it works, but also dangerous when it doesn't.

At one point in that book he shares a study showing that car sales people routinely make better offers to white males than to black males or white females. Then he uses a counter example, Bob Golomb, sales director of the Flemington Nissan dealership in New Jersey, who sells more than double what the average car salesman sells:

He follows, he says, a very simple rule. He may make a million snap judgments about a customer's needs and state of mind, but he tries never to judge anyone on the basis of his or her appearance. He assumes that everyone who walks in the door has the exact same chance of buying a car.

What I love about Gladwell's example is that Golomb isn't just a nice guy, but rather a remarkably effective salesman. The point isn't that the other sales people are bad because they're discriminating and stereotyping. The point is that Golomb sells so much more than his colleagues. So by avoiding the snap judgment he makes more money, not less.

Ultimately, whether we like it or not, business is about money, as in sales and profits and such. As a business owner, I'm still hoping that on the long term the Bob Golombs win and the Coral Beaches lose.
post #66 of 74
In our society, almost all will judge you by the way you look-and that will never change.
post #67 of 74
i'd say the opposite...

there's a restaurant in Gramercy that we frequent for brunch.. everyone in shitty t-shirts and sweats gets treated like gold, since we all rolled out of bed from a drunken orgy the night before..

it's the people with fedoras/aviators/dress pants/shirts (srly for brunch?!) that the staff don't attend to, because they know they're either tourists from omaha/cali or poseurs.

rich people in NY don't need to dress well/impress.. how you carry yourself (usually obliviously and nonchalantly) says much more in this town.
post #68 of 74
Never judge a book by it's cover.

It works in more than just business BTW.
post #69 of 74
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
So if you worked at an Ace Hardware, in the tools section, and you saw two guys in the power tools area. One with a hardhat on, dirty jeans, tool belt and another in a fine suit. There's an incentive on selling right now, so if you land a nice sale today, you're going to make some extra dollars. Who would you approach first?

It's not that illogical to judge people based on how they're dressed. You're probably going to be right the most of the time.

(I know some are going to rush in and say the guy in the suit. In fact, I can pretty much predict who is going to say that.)

The guy in the suit does not have time to windowshop in the power tool area. He came to buy power tools and get out. The other guy came to get minor stuff needed to finish a job. He loves working with power tools and already has more than he needs.
post #70 of 74
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Originally Posted by L'Incandescent View Post
A couple of weeks ago I went into Target to check out Merona's new line of fun socks. For the sake of context, I should point out that I was wearing a pair of Dockers socks that I had purchased from Kohl's. The SA tried by brush me off, telling me that just the day before someone had come in and bought out the entire stock of Merona fun socks. Needless to say, I found this hard to believe. So I decided right then and there that I'd teach that SA a lesson. I went to Banana Republic and bought a couple pairs of their stripy socks. I returned to Target the next day wearing pants that were hemmed too short, so as to draw attention to my BR stripy socks. Long story short, the SA tried to play it off like she didn't even remember me. But I think I sent my message loud and clear.
hahahaha Please, please tell me this is a joak poast.
post #71 of 74
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Originally Posted by Big Pun View Post
hahahaha

Please, please tell me this is a joak poast.

Yes, it's a joak poast! It's meant to express two closely related points:

1. People often believe they've been disrespected, belittled, or persecuted when no such thing has really happened. And the stories they tell about these acts of disrespect usually have unintended comedic value.

2. People often believe that they've avenged themselves by cutting their supposed persecutors down to size and by "teaching them a lesson they'll never forget," when no such thing has really happened. Again, the stories told about these adventures usually have unintended comedic value.

See also:

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=168589
post #72 of 74
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Originally Posted by uhurit View Post
^^^

It's all a matter of personal preference how to dress and what image to project...more about how you feel about that particular event. The truth is that an average Joe/Jane are usually dressed so poorly, especially on week-ends, that a skilled sales person never qualifies anyone based on how they dress. They recognize it for what it is, and generally know that anyone can buy virtually anything, regardless of appearances.

A schmuck of a salesperson who overqualifies, is always at the bottom and loses sales

As a person who worked in sales, I agree.
post #73 of 74
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Originally Posted by zillka View Post
i'd say the opposite...

there's a restaurant in Gramercy that we frequent for brunch.. everyone in shitty t-shirts and sweats gets treated like gold, since we all rolled out of bed from a drunken orgy the night before..

it's the people with fedoras/aviators/dress pants/shirts (srly for brunch?!) that the staff don't attend to, because they know they're either tourists from omaha/cali or poseurs.

rich people in NY don't need to dress well/impress.. how you carry yourself (usually obliviously and nonchalantly) says much more in this town.

Well, this is just stupid, particularly on a clothing forum. The guy in the dress pants and shirt and the gal with the dress or skirt may have come from church, be going to church, like to dress well before going out, have some place to go after where they prefer to be better dressed. There are no reasons to assume they are tourists or poseurs.

By the by, tourists from Ohama are highly unlikely to be found at a Gramercy brunch spot and, if so, rarely dressed well. If the staff is not attending to patrons because they are making false assumptions about the patrons, good place to avoid generally. In any event, as a long time resident of NYC, I have had many a meal dress far better than the hipster poseurs referenced here and I have not had poor service for reason of dress (AFAIK). YMMV.

p.s. the likelihood than any of the Gramercy patrons has rolled out of bed from a drunken orgy is less than my change of winning Powerball and then MegaMillions in the same week. SRSLY
post #74 of 74
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Originally Posted by Artisan Fan View Post
This is frustrating to hear. My friend Craig works there and I live just a few blocks from the dealer. They are generally very helpful and friendly at Ferrari Atlanta. They have sold lots of cars to entrepreneurs dressed in shorts and polos over the years.

I was just disappointed that we actually called ahead for an appointment with a salesman (just called my friend to ask the guy's name but he is in Denver and didn't answer) and even then nobody helped in his absence. My friend is often mistaken for being much younger but was dressed nice. On our way up he talked to the salesman that was supposed to meet with us for about 15 minutes on the car and he was ready to buy if all checked out. He purchased the other 911 I mentioned above.

On the other hand in Buckhead both Land Rover (probably because I was driving mine) and MB salesmen were great
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