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Originally Posted by gort View Post

Really bummed walt jr had to find out. That was the one thing walt never wanted to happen.

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Originally Posted by sinnedk View Post

thats hard... i want to say walt because vic throughout the series did a lot of decent things as well (taking out child molesters , arresting people that deserve it). But both have questionable morales and i think walt hurts people on a greater scale. Although, Vic has the higher body count due to being a cop and shooting a lot of people.

I need to re-watch The Shield, but I don't recall Vic inadvertantly causing a plane crash
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Did anyone else have some distinct schadenfreude when Marie was acting all superior to Skyler, detailing how Hank had Walt in cuffs, and demanding Skyler do this and that? I know I enjoyed that greatly as I despise both the sisters.

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yep, honestly, I was really thinking that skylar was going to be on walt's side when he survived, and be ready to rub marie's face in it. marie was such a bitch to skylar.

Not me. Marie used to be an incredibly annoying character (same with Hank) but I think they've built her out as a character a lot. With that said, I think her "smug" reaction to Skylar were well placed. Skylar who had been lying to her for months now was in a corner and had to admit the truth. Her criminal husband who lied to skylar and then to the rest of the family, plus from Marie's point of view likely forced Skylar to go along with his schemes, was being sent to prison. Personally, I'd be pretty relieved about finally learning about the guy getting sent off to prison, and forcing my sister to deal with the truth.
Edited by Joffrey - 9/17/13 at 11:24am
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Writer: Moira Walley-Beckett 

Director: Rian Johnson

 

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I’ve seen different reactions to Walt’s phone call to Skyler. Some say it was all a ploy to save her from prosecution; others says that it was real and he was railing at her. Does the debate surprise you?
Walley-Beckett: I personally feel like it wasn’t open to interpretation. I would hope that people got that it was an absolute ploy on Walt’s part. It is the family-man part of Walt playing the part of Heisenberg to exonerate Skyler. I was hoping that the process of the lie and the subterfuge would be clear and that viewers would be with Skyler in their understanding. When we first hear Walt, we think he’s gone full Heisenberg. It’s outrageous and horrible and abusive what he’s saying! But then we start to put the pieces together as Skyler does, and I was hoping people would sort of be traveling that journey with her. 
Johnson: I had two angles on Skyler, and one of them was the side angle. I purposely turned that up to try and keep everybody in the room — the cops, Marie, Walt Jr. — present, and then I had a more intimate, straight-on camera for her. So much of her reaction to the call is about not just what she’s going through inside, but about how she plays it, how she plays along with the lie, or doesn’t. That was really important. Then Bryan’s side was a much different challenge. The complexity of it, playing one thing while feeling another, that’s always interesting to watch. The fact that the Heisenberg personality, which throughout so much of the show has liberated him to do these horrible things with impunity, has become this thing that he’s now imprisoned by. He has to put this persona on to do the thing that he never wanted to have to do, in order to save the family that he’s already lost. 

 

lefty

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Now that people have mentioned it, it makes a ton more sense. However, when I first saw the scene I totally thought Walt had lost it.
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

Now that people have mentioned it, it makes a ton more sense. However, when I first saw the scene I totally thought Walt had lost it.

Not the first time people were confused about something the writers thought was clear-cut. There was the season 3 finale with Jesse and Gale.
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The A.V. Club: Last season ended with an episode that was reasonably conclusive, whereas this season ends with a cliffhanger. Why’d you choose to end on an ambiguous note?

Vince Gilligan: Well first let me ask you: When you say “ambiguous” do you mean ambiguous in the sense of did Jesse shoot Gale or not?

AVC: Among other things, yes.

VG: Gotcha. That’s interesting, because I’m hearing that from some folks, that question. To me, for what it’s worth, it’s not actually meant to be ambiguous. It’s meant to be, “Oh my god, Jesse shot poor Gale.” But I’m realizing now that when people see the camera come dollying around so it’s looking down the barrel of the gun, some are reading that as maybe he’s changing his point of aim. But that’s not what we intended. Apparently it’s not as clear as I thought it would be. [Laughs.]
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Not me. Marie used to be an incredibly annoying character (same with Hank) but I think they've built her out as a character a lot. With that said, I think her "smug" reaction to Skylar were well placed. Skylar who had been lying to her for months now was in a corner and had to admit the truth. Her criminal husband who lied to skylar and then to the rest of the family, plus from Marie's point of view likely forced Skylar to go along with his schemes, was being sent to prison. Personally, I'd be pretty relieved about finally learning about the guy getting sent off to prison, and forcing my sister to deal with the truth.

well, I think that I certainly would like Hank a lot more than walt. but, there certainly are people, not bad people, in hanks position who would have sat down with walt and then said "ok, you know he will be dead soon, and he is retired, maybe I can just let him die off quietly and keep from destroying the family".
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post

well, I think that I certainly would like Hank a lot more than walt. but, there certainly are people, not bad people, in hanks position who would have sat down with walt and then said "ok, you know he will be dead soon, and he is retired, maybe I can just let him die off quietly and keep from destroying the family".

That would be the most rational decision. But certain people just can't let go and ends up miserable most of the time.
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

I need to re-watch The Shield, but I don't recall Vic inadvertantly causing a plane crash

well that was not exactly direct... the plane crash.

I still stand by Vic being the better of the two because there were many many episodes of the shield where he did the right thing and acted like a cop. It was his own drama where he screwed people but there was definitely a sense of him knowing right from wrong. For example, no kids were killed nor did he kill any women to get ahead.
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lefty

i kinda thought about that too as i watched. Did Walt loose it completely or did he realize that he needed to make skylar look like she is in danger so police/fbi/dea take care of her and not send her to jail. I mean he has only 6 months to live given the cancer. The character is smart but he has shown to be very sloppy in a lot of situations this season (leaving the book out, getting outsmarted by Hank). I think the point is that everyone gets caught eventually and slips up. With Walt its hard to tell now. But, isnt it is great that the character keeps us guessing.
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I thought it was pretty clear. The way the screaming rant was delivered was out of character for the character. It pulled me out for a moment until I realized that it was Cranston saying, "there's something else going on here." When the tears came, but the voice remained the same, it was fairly clear what he was doing. Clever bit of acting.

 

It was no "Chuckles Bites the Dust," but it was a pretty damned good hour of TV.

 

lefty


Edited by lefty - 9/17/13 at 1:31pm
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Would you guys count Walt footing Hank's rehab bill as a positive contribution? After all, Hank would probably still be bed-ridden collecting minerals without Walt's involvement. Of course, Hank would probably still be alive so I guess it's a moot point.
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i still cant believe hank is dead. just like that. adios hank.

i think its interesting because the shows that BB most often gets compared to in terms of GOAT TV show, are the sopranos and the wire, and both of those shows were know for, amongst other things, killing of very large characters, without remorse.

i guess one of the marks of great writing is trying to on some level, write things as close to possible as would happen irl, within the confines of the created story line. its more realistic in these types of created situations, that people, even important people, get killed. not magically saved by some stroke of luck at the last minute to keep the character around, and not jostle watchers nerves.

ymmv, just a thought.
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Would you guys count Walt footing Hank's rehab bill as a positive contribution? After all, Hank would probably still be bed-ridden collecting minerals without Walt's involvement. Of course, Hank would probably still be alive so I guess it's a moot point.

considering that skyler forced walt to do that, no i dont think he gets any credit for that.
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