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post #1501 of 1812
8/27/12 at 8:33am
Man, I knew by the face of that bank clerk that the attorney was going down. Based on her delight at the bacon banana cookies, the cake pops should have had her in ecstasy ("They have little faces on them!)." I am surprised at the safe deposit box method of getting the money to the families. A member of the families must have access to the box, which I would think the DEA would be able to subpoena. Why not just have the families come into the law office and pick up an envelope every week? I would think that it might be tougher to get a search warrant on the lawyer's office.

Also, based on the preview of next week, it looks like the lawyer gets shanked in prison. I was wondering how Walter would be able to get at the lawyer without Mike. But then I realized who has "connections" in prison: Todd.

Title of next week's episode: "Gliding Over All" icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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post #1502 of 1812
8/27/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by Biggskip View Post

I'm getting there.
My hand is sort of half raised right now, I'l admit it.
Eh, it was very entertaining to say the least.
Oh, no doubt.
I had a lot of problems with last night's show. The whole business where they apprehend the lawyer was poor writing, IMO. The guy was a lawyer, so either he was under arrest and he knew to keep his mouth shut and call his own lawyer, or he wasn't under arrest and he was free to leave. Either way the whole "sweated him for 14 hours" bit was contrived. Also, how long after Hank got off the v-chat with his boss did they apprehend the lawyer? It would have had to have been at least a couple of weeks. The DEA had to surveil him long enough to know that he made regular (let's assume weekly) trips to that bank. Then they had to get to the bank and show the relationship manager the search/arrest warrant. Also, what PC would they have to execute said warrant?
I don't watch trailers for next week's episode because I continually find them to be misleading, so I have zero idea of what was shown or what people are expecting. That said, everybody (Jesse, Sual, etc.) should assume that Mike is not dead and that he instead just rode off into the sunset. The DEA are going to think that Mike caught wise to the fact that the lawyer flipped on him and that he ran.
Walt isn't going to Kill Lydia. He has a large, but no limitless supply of Methylamine. He knows that one day he will need to get his hands on more. Granted the Phoenix gang might be able to help him with this, but who knows.

They probably approached the bank manager with the facts that the lawyer worked for a suspect, Mike, in an ongoing drug organization investigation who was having his lawyer leave money in the deposit boxes of family of members of the arrested crew of the suspect, Mike. With the cooperation of the bank manager they could make a positive link that the lawyer was leaving the money in the boxes of members of a drug organization. They got a warrant and caught the lawyer red handed assisting a drug organization.

Once the lawyer was arrested he would have known what he was facing, RICO Act charges, and he would cooperate. That part about sweating him for fourteen hours doesn't seem plausible, being a lawyer he would immediately have seen his options and cooperated right away.

Your issue with the time factor of surveilling the lawyer is minor, it's a less than one hour show and we can all just assume that the surveillance took the necessary time to keep the show moving.

Walt may end up killing Lydia if it means his survival versus and unending supply of methylamine.
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post #1503 of 1812
8/27/12 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post

A couple of things:
(2.) They didn't need to sit on the crappy lawyer. Once they found out he was going to that bank, all they had to do was inquire about his activities. He was very sloppy. That's what that whole subplot with the bank worker was about: she knew him well and told the DEA all about his use of multiple safe deposit boxes (remember how they established that she knew just about every one by memory).

But what I am saying is, how did they know that he was going to the bank? How long would it have taken to establish that? Even once they found out that he was going to the bank and the interviewed the relationship manager about his activities then what? She didn't know what was going into those safety deposit boxes. She certainly didn't know that the lawyer was doing it on Mike's behalf. So what cause does the DEA have to inquire about his activities at the bank, watch his activities at the bank, or question him about his activities at the bank?
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post #1504 of 1812
8/27/12 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by John Doe View Post

...Walt may end up killing Lydia if it means his survival versus and unending supply of methylamine.

Survival of the empire is all that matters now, and Methylamine fuels the empire. That said, it's totally plausible that the Phoenix crew has their own line on methylamine.
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post #1505 of 1812
8/27/12 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Teacher View Post

A couple of things:
(1.) As I pointed out before, at least one of Mike's guys knew Walt and Jesse by sight (probably more than one). No, they don't know their addresses and phone numbers, but they have excellent descriptions (including vehicles), and who knows what else they may know? Remember, Mike trusted these guys implicitly. The cops have apprehended people with less information.
(2.) They didn't need to sit on the crappy lawyer. Once they found out he was going to that bank, all they had to do was inquire about his activities. He was very sloppy. That's what that whole subplot with the bank worker was about: she knew him well and told the DEA all about his use of multiple safe deposit boxes (remember how they established that she knew just about every one by memory).
(3.) Hate to see Mike go, but do keep in mind that he was a cold-blooded killer himself..


Please do not speak ill of the dead, Mike was a well respected character favorite of this thread despite his few minor character flaws, may he rest peace hell.
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post #1506 of 1812
8/27/12 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by Biggskip View Post

I'm getting there.
My hand is sort of half raised right now, I'l admit it.
Eh, it was very entertaining to say the least.
Oh, no doubt.
I had a lot of problems with last night's show. The whole business where they apprehend the lawyer was poor writing, IMO. The guy was a lawyer, so either he was under arrest and he knew to keep his mouth shut and call his own lawyer, or he wasn't under arrest and he was free to leave. Either way the whole "sweated him for 14 hours" bit was contrived. Also, how long after Hank got off the v-chat with his boss did they apprehend the lawyer? It would have had to have been at least a couple of weeks. The DEA had to surveil him long enough to know that he made regular (let's assume weekly) trips to that bank. Then they had to get to the bank and show the relationship manager the search/arrest warrant. Also, what PC would they have to execute said warrant?
I don't watch trailers for next week's episode because I continually find them to be misleading, so I have zero idea of what was shown or what people are expecting. That said, everybody (Jesse, Sual, etc.) should assume that Mike is not dead and that he instead just rode off into the sunset. The DEA are going to think that Mike caught wise to the fact that the lawyer flipped on him and that he ran.
Walt isn't going to Kill Lydia. He has a large, but no limitless supply of Methylamine. He knows that one day he will need to get his hands on more. Granted the Phoenix gang might be able to help him with this, but who knows.

A lawyer who is committing criminal acts to help his client is not a good lawyer. I have no issue believing such a lawyer would turn under pressure.
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post #1507 of 1812
8/27/12 at 9:06am
yeah, the idea of loading safety deposit boxes and having somebody else empty them has been used in movies, but it is a lazy scriptwriters tool. there are much better ways to deal with that.
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post #1508 of 1812
8/27/12 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Biggskip View Post

But what I am saying is, how did they know that he was going to the bank? How long would it have taken to establish that? Even once they found out that he was going to the bank and the interviewed the relationship manager about his activities then what? She didn't know what was going into those safety deposit boxes. She certainly didn't know that the lawyer was doing it on Mike's behalf. So what cause does the DEA have to inquire about his activities at the bank, watch his activities at the bank, or question him about his activities at the bank?

Once the DEA explains to her he works for a drug suspect and she then tells them he has nine deposit boxes it would be easy to get a warrant. Works for drug suspect connected to Fring, lawyer has nine boxes and makes regular visits, nine suspect who worked for Mike who won't talk because it is likely someone is buying their silence. The DEA just needs probable cause, the likelihood that a crime was committed and more probable than not the suspect did it. They don't need absolute hard evidence for a warrant, they just have to show the lawyer is most likely involved in Mikes criminal activities.

They know he went to the bank because Hank told Gomy to watch him. Who cares how long it took them to watch him, it doesn't matter.
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post #1509 of 1812
8/27/12 at 9:21am
The safety deposit boxes were a SHITTY idea. Just have the families come to his office once a week for a meeting. No real reason for suspicion, and nothing the cops could do about it if there were. I real lawyer would have thought of that, but I guess not a screenwriter.
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post #1510 of 1812
8/27/12 at 9:25am
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The safety deposit boxes were a SHITTY idea. Just have the families come to his office once a week for a meeting. No real reason for suspicion, and nothing the cops could do about it if there were. I real lawyer would have thought of that, but I guess not a screenwriter.

its the type of thing that a screenwritter likes, because it seems very hush hush, but you need to show identification to open a box, and the bank clerk knows what boxes you are opening.

also, boxes come in a lot of sizes, it is extremly unusual that a person has multiple boxes (9 or 10?) that is the type of thing that a bank clerk might go home and tell her husband about.


also, middle class lawyer comes in, then young trashy woman comes in a few hours later and accesses the same box, that cookie woman won't notice and comment to somebody about that?
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post #1511 of 1812
8/27/12 at 9:26am
How can some of you guys even think of giving up on this show. That episode was amazing! The look on Mike's face in the park when he realized he'd never see his granddaughter again. So good. Then the final scene of him dying at sunset. "shut up and let me die in peace."

They're keeping tabs on all 9 guys, right? Well you can't have their family members all showing up in the same spot every week and then coming out and making big purchases or deposits shortly after. Looks suspicious. But they couldn't get warrants for all the family's bank records, and coming out of a bank with money certainly isn't suspicious, so it makes perfect cover. Plus, it lets them keep tabs on who has and hasn't taken the money.
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post #1512 of 1812
8/27/12 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by velobran View Post

This is my guess at what's to come in the next episode: Walt will get the names from Lydia. Todd has family in jail and he'll have Todd setup the killings or attempt to silence people.

I think you're spot on. That explains Todd's saying that.
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post #1513 of 1812
8/27/12 at 10:06am
I think I just thought of the perfect ending for the show...


Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Somehow Marie, Skylar, and the kids are all put into horrible danger. The DEA cannot do anything about it. Hank finds out about Walter's deeds, but decides to put it all aside for the sake of his wife. Walt pulls a 180 on his life and drops the whole Heisenberg shtick. They team up with Jesse (the classic "getting the old band back together and heading out on the road scenario") for one last caper that will save their families and make them all rich. They pull off the operation, and everybody retires to a tropical island with more money than they can spend. Skylar forgives Hank for all his transgressions. Jesse forgives Hank (as Walt admits to poisoning during the planning phase of "Operation: Flynn FTW"). Walt works on a new wonder drug that straightens out Jr.'s legs and they all live happily ever after.

Cut to everybody standing around a hospital bed where Walter lays deep asleep in a coma. He's been in the coma since the tumor in his lung caused him to have a stroke just days after his 50th birthday celebration. The whole thing was a dream in Walter's head. Everybody has gathered to pay their last respects before pulling the plug on his life support. Skylar and family are penniless and beyond broke. Jesse, never having met, Walter still cooks in abandoned houses and still uses chili-p to this day. After watching Walter pass, Hank treats everybody to dinner at the local Pollos Hermanos, where an observant shift manager named Gus Fring offers the family his condolences.
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post #1514 of 1812
8/27/12 at 10:13am
Gadzooks! Not the stale it-was-only-a-dream ending?! That would be very disappointing and would significantly tarnish the show's reputation for posterity.
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post #1515 of 1812
8/27/12 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by Biggskip View Post

I think I just thought of the perfect ending for the show...


Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Somehow Marie, Skylar, and the kids are all put into horrible danger. The DEA cannot do anything about it. Hank finds out about Walter's deeds, but decides to put it all aside for the sake of his wife. Walt pulls a 180 on his life and drops the whole Heisenberg shtick. They team up with Jesse (the classic "getting the old band back together and heading out on the road scenario") for one last caper that will save their families and make them all rich. They pull off the operation, and everybody retires to a tropical island with more money than they can spend. Skylar forgives Hank for all his transgressions. Jesse forgives Hank (as Walt admits to poisoning during the planning phase of "Operation: Flynn FTW"). Walt works on a new wonder drug that straightens out Jr.'s legs and they all live happily ever after.
Cut to everybody standing around a hospital bed where Walter lays deep asleep in a coma. He's been in the coma since the tumor in his lung caused him to have a stroke just days after his 50th birthday celebration. The whole thing was a dream in Walter's head. Everybody has gathered to pay their last respects before pulling the plug on his life support. Skylar and family are penniless and beyond broke. Jesse, never having met, Walter still cooks in abandoned houses and still uses chili-p to this day. After watching Walter pass, Hank treats everybody to dinner at the local Pollos Hermanos, where an observant shift manager named Gus Fring offers the family his condolences.

Fade to black while Don't stop believing plays.
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