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post #121 of 176
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Originally Posted by Saucemaster
I took a year of Heidegger. At this point, nothing's going to phase me.

ouch!! Maybe you remember that very funny philosopher (yeah I know) who used to ridicule Heidegger and compared him to a sheep herder in the blind devotion he got from his followers.
post #122 of 176
"What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Eating cheetos on a bus?..."

Why is it that the notion of G_D revolves almost exclusively around it being some anthropomorphosised sentient? What if you believe in G_D as all encompassing but not something that gives a shit about what you do or think because it can't?
post #123 of 176
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Originally Posted by Rome
"What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Eating cheetos on a bus?..." Why is it that the notion of G_D revolves almost exclusively around it being some anthropomorphosised sentient? What if you believe in G_D as all encompassing but not something that gives a shit about what you do or think because it can’t?
I think that would reduce the importance of the divine to too many people - especially all the monotheists (and no I don't mean the followers of Aton but the later versions of his idea of a singular divine being,i.e. judeochristianislamic religions).
post #124 of 176
God as reification. Or maybe as a pervert who leaves pubic hair in his aftermath. Altough I do enjoy Kierkegaard's existential habitual aesthetic crisis.
post #125 of 176
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Originally Posted by Rome
"What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Eating cheetos on a bus?..."

Why is it that the notion of G_D revolves almost exclusively around it being some anthropomorphosised sentient? What if you believe in G_D as all encompassing but not something that gives a shit about what you do or think because it can't?

True, the notion of a 'supreme being' as stern but loving grandfather type is a bit 3rd Grade Sunday School... It's not even Biblical. I think we can blame Michaelangelo for that.

And Mother Nature doesn't wear garlands in her hair, either.
post #126 of 176
I obey Gumby's every command.
post #127 of 176
i believe in photoshop.

***edit: although i am mildly interested in the church of the flying spaghetti monster. also, cthulhu.
post #128 of 176
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Originally Posted by skalogre
There is no test you can conjure to prove that there is no god, hence it is out of the realm of scientific reasoning. It cannot be investigated. Hence religion = faith not reason.

From where do you derive your faith in reason?
post #129 of 176
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Originally Posted by tiger02
From where do you derive your faith in reason?
That’s tricky wordplay, it should read something more akin to reason for reason not faith in reason. Reason is a process of logical deduction, where as faith obviates thought.
post #130 of 176
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Originally Posted by Rome
That’s tricky wordplay, it should read something more akin to reason for reason not faith in reason. Reason is a process of logical deduction, where as faith obviates thought.
You're trapped. Let it go, then try to answer the question. Why do you have such faith that reason is infallible?
post #131 of 176
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Originally Posted by tiger02
Why do you have such faith that reason is infallible?
Where exactly did he make such a statement? Saying that religion is not provable by science is not exactly new (it dates back to Kant at least) and it is not saying that reason or science are the only ways to have meaninnful truths.
post #132 of 176
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Originally Posted by Étienne
Where exactly did he make such a statement? Saying that religion is not provable by science is not exactly new (it dates back to Kant at least) and it is not saying that reason or science are the only ways to have meaninnful truths.
Nor did Rome make that statement.

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Originally Posted by Rome
Reason is a process of logical deduction, where as faith obviates thought.

I reject the above.
post #133 of 176
i'm a teapot atheist, and you should watch all the dawkins stuff as food for thought at least: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVQox...elated&search=
post #134 of 176
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Originally Posted by tiger02
You're trapped. Let it go, then try to answer the question. Why do you have such faith that reason is infallible?
LOL, you got me...

Faith is a conjecture of knowing, whereby to possessors of faith it is transposable with knowing despite not logically leading to it. Ergo it is possible to have faith in reason, but your wording seemed to try composing the two in order to sound like faith was always necessary but not reason. (Is this the rubicon of a circular rhetoric?)

I don't have faith that reason is infallible; logic and intellect are based on human precepts that in turn are fallible. To say reason is infallible is too egoistic for me.
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Originally Posted by tiger02
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Originally Posted by Rome
Reason is a process of logical deduction, where as faith obviates thought.
I reject the above.

After reading the above can you still not see how I came to this conclusion?

Please expand on your thoughts on the subject.
post #135 of 176
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Originally Posted by Rome
Please expand on your thoughts on the subject.
To paraphrase: perhaps, but I am a buffoon. I was simply making the assertion that rationalists (those who deny the possibilities and requirements of faith) ignore their own hypocrisy.

I don't believe in an interventionist God
But I know, darling, that you do
But if I did I would kneel down and ask Him
Not to intervene when it came to you
Not to touch a hair on your head
To leave you as you are
And if He felt He had to direct you
Then direct you into my arms

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

And I don't believe in the existence of angels
But looking at you I wonder if that's true
But if I did I would summon them together
And ask them to watch over you
To each burn a candle for you
To make bright and clear your path
And to walk, like Christ, in grace and love
And guide you into my arms

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

And I believe in Love
And I know that you do too
And I believe in some kind of path
That we can walk down, me and you
So keep your candlew burning
And make her journey bright and pure
That she will keep returning
Always and evermore

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms
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