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post #391 of 524
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Originally Posted by entrero View Post
A typical case when choosing between your moral values or your wallet. And one wonders why everything is made in China.

First, no one wonders why things are made in China - it's fairly obvious.

Second, your citing moral values is retarded beyond retarded.

Third, you don't know that they are made in China. All we have is one person's word with a mysterious source that can not be disclosed. That would be like saying, "hey, let's bomb a country because I heard they have bad shit." Says who? "Can't tell ya".

Do you know why the "made in China" source can't be revealed? Because it can't be proved, otherwise the source wouldn't give a shit about being quoted (if it was plain for everyone else to see).

But it's nice to see that your "moral values" include honoring 'originality', but don't seem to include libel and defamation.
post #392 of 524
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Originally Posted by entrero View Post
A typical case when choosing between your moral values or your wallet. And one wonders why everything is made in China.

I hope that pun was intended.
post #393 of 524
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Originally Posted by clemente21 View Post
and charging half the price for them. if they are making the same way, then they're just exposing Makr's absurd mark up. as much as I like Makr's designs, I can't believe all that extra money goes to R&D.

Where would the insane mark-up be on a $90 wallet? Sure, angle wallets from Chester Mox are something like $40, but I think that only reflects that he was able to get a good deal with his factory. I've read that Jason decided to produce his goods through a family-owned factory that's a couple of hours away from where he lives so that he could control quality. The disparity in pricing is probably due to asking prices of Jason's factory vs Mox's factory...

Besides, stealing designs from Jason means that he doesn't need an R&D budget, meaning he can sell for less. :P
post #394 of 524
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Originally Posted by mfrege View Post
Third, you don't know that they are made in China. All we have is one person's word with a mysterious source that can not be disclosed. That would be like saying, "hey, let's bomb a country because I heard they have bad shit." Says who? "Can't tell ya". Do you know why the "made in China" source can't be revealed? Because it can't be proved, otherwise the source wouldn't give a shit about being quoted (if it was plain for everyone else to see). But it's nice to see that your "moral values" include honoring 'originality', but don't seem to include libel and defamation.
RU Chester Mox??? I forgot that everything is a conspiracy theory on the internet.
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Originally Posted by mfrege View Post
I thought everybody copied everybody else in the world of leather crafting, be it flathead-esque leather strand s-hook bracelets, makr flap wallets, other card cases, and, of course, the red-moon "inspired' wallets are what many independent leather crafters started off doing.
There is a certain degree of 'copying' that goes on, but you have to keep in mind that there are very few truly original designs on the market that have never been made before. Did Redmoon create the simple bifold with a snap closure? Not likely. There is a big difference between someone making something that was like another wallet in existence, but with a few changes, and blatantly copying an original design to the smallest detail, only to add blatant lies:
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Chester Mox was founded with the main purpose of bringing the best materials with the best designs together. We start all our work with a rough draft sketched on paper, which eventually be transfer to the best leather and materials to be cut and hand sewn.
post #395 of 524
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Originally Posted by omgcookielol View Post
Besides, stealing designs from Jason means that he doesn't need an R&D budget, meaning he can sell for less. :P
This is just retarded. Don't do it man, you'll be killing creativity and originality.
post #396 of 524
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Originally Posted by zissou View Post
RU Chester Mox??? I forgot that everything is a conspiracy theory on the internet.

Am I? A year and a half and my first post complimenting chester mox exactly 5 days ago (a thread I didn't create and was my intro to the brand)?


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Originally Posted by zissou
There is a certain degree of 'copying' that goes on, but you have to keep in mind that there are very few truly original designs on the market that have never been made before. Did Redmoon create the simple bifold with a snap closure? Not likely. There is a big difference between someone making something that was like another wallet in existence, but with a few changes, and blatantly copying an original design to the smallest detail, only to add blatant lies:

I agree to some extent.

Chester Mox is a blatant rip-off of Makr. The whole site, not just the wallets, immediately reminds me of Makr, and this is probably not unconscious on their part.

Secondly, it's pointless to go searching for origins. I know Red Moon didn't invent a bi-fold snap wallet, but, then again, neither is Red Moon just another snap bi-fold. That is equally obvious.

Now, I don't know the history of the trucker wallet or whatever else it's called, but what we can say is that Red Moon certainly re-invigorated an interest in that style of wallet amidst a certain circle, and that the independent leather makers (most of whom we know) who started making Red Moon-esque wallets were obviously inspired by Red Moon, right down to the style of the snap, regardless of how far back the history of that style of wallet goes. In other words, there is a point at which originality is irrelevant, and reintroducing and popularizing styles is.

Thirdly, I don't much care for "word on the street..." statements. If it can't be shown, it shouldn't be said IMO.

Fourth, you make a makr style wallet:

Card case 01 - $38
This simple card case can hold up to 6 credit cards easily, but will fit more with a little stretching. The flap closure is very secure, but easy to open for quick access.
In natural and British tan:



You were carefull to distinguish yours in certain ways (style and material wise), but it is still an hommage to Makr (and much cheaper).

This falls into the category of "making something that was like another wallet in existence, but with a few changes". And, hell, maybe that design of wallet has existed for the last 20 years, BUT (and this goes back to originality in design versus re-introducing or poplarizing a design) your wallet obviously plays off what Makr not was, but IS doing and what popularity Makr has made and is making for that wallet NOW. Your capitalizing not off whatever flap wallet existed 20 years ago, but now, in the realm of the Makr inspired flap card case, and I'm not too sure how I can see this as anything but shades of grey rather than black and white.
post #397 of 524
^You're assuming far too much there. When I first made that card case 2-3 years ago, I had never heard of MAKR, and they weren't making the new simplified version of their flap wallet that looks very similar to mine. I will admit that I had seen Billykirk's vertical version of the flap wallet and thought I could make a much better designed version for myself that was similar to theirs only in that it has a flap and holds cards. The only reason I have sold them is because people kept asking me to make one for them. That was my first foray into leather making, and everything I've made since then has been my own design. Sure, shades of grey, but I at least try to stay as close to black and white as I can.
post #398 of 524
I'm confused. You say this

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Originally Posted by mfrege View Post
Chester Mox is a blatant rip-off of Makr. The whole site, not just the wallets, immediately reminds me of Makr, and this is probably not unconscious on their part.

But yet on the other hand, this
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Fourth, you make a makr style wallet:
You were carefull to distinguish yours in certain ways (style and material wise), but it is still an hommage to Makr (and much cheaper).

This falls into the category of "making something that was like another wallet in existence, but with a few changes"...
post #399 of 524
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Originally Posted by zissou View Post
I'm mesmerized by the construction of these Il Bussetto coin pouches. It looks like the lid snaps down over the pouch, and there is no stitching. How is this even possible??


just saw this.

http://www.goodstead.co.uk/blog/?p=1634

post #400 of 524
Can anyone suggest a card-holder style wallet with the following:

  • Exposed sleeve - my bus pass needs to contact the card reader, it works through plastic, but I don't think it'll work buried behind other cards.
  • Slot for cash
  • Slot for 4 - 6 other cards (CC, License, etc)
  • Slim

I've been using the following, but it's time for a new one. Pic 350 illustrates how my bus pass is exposed today, would need something analogous.
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post #401 of 524
^ I've been using a wallet with pretty much the same specs. http://www.saddlebackleather.com/cat...Small-Chestnut or the like . . .
post #402 of 524
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Originally Posted by mikecch View Post
This is just retarded.
Don't do it man, you'll be killing creativity and originality.

Huh? I wasn't justifying Chester Mox's actions. I was just pointing out that they were probably able to skip most of the R&D process (and sell for less) because they lift Jason's designs. I've never supported Chester Mox, and I never will.
post #403 of 524
what did this Chester Mox brand used to be called? Erything look exactly like Jason's work...
post #404 of 524
^ Alright, my apologies!
post #405 of 524
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Originally Posted by kixslf View Post
what did this Chester Mox brand used to be called? Erything look exactly like Jason's work...
Voodoo. It's even featured on "Put this On": http://putthison.com/post/6250992089...company-i-know "By all accounts, it was the same beautiful, high-quality wallet that their competitors were selling, but instead of charging $80, these were $35. Yes, $35 for a Horween leather wallet, completely handmade by people who have been doing it for over a decade. "
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