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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

I've been saying that in this thread for ages. It's a fucking amazing little bedroom amp. And it actually looks good as well.

I haven't seen your thoughts on it but I was a little skeptical and rolled the dice anyways... it really is fucking amazing,
post #6077 of 6538
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Originally Posted by grundletaint View Post

I haven't seen your thoughts on it but I was a little skeptical and rolled the dice anyways... it really is fucking amazing,

I have heard that they're releasing a 100w version. I would definitely gig that if it sounds as good as the bedroom amp.
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so... i read the MF blurbs and some reviews... what amps does it model? is this where the software comes in?

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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

so... i read the MF blurbs and some reviews... what amps does it model? is this where the software comes in?

The 10 models:

Twin reverb
AC30
Plexi
JCM800
Some boogie high gain model

The 10C is:

Deluxe – Fender 65 Deluxe reverb
Class A – Matchless DC30
US Blues – Fender Blues Junior
Brit Blues – Marshall Bluesbreaker
Mini – Dr Z Mini Z

The 10X is the heavier gain shit


The software allows you to go further than the knobs for settings. It has pedal/rack compression, fine tuning of the effects (chorus, tremolo, flanger, phaser) and reverbs, a noise gate, and fine tuning of the EQ.

Once you make a decision you can save it into one of 5 preset slots if you want or you can save less involved manual choices via the knobs...the software is optional. There are 5 stock presets and the software has another 25 or so to get you started.

It also has cabinet choices ranging from 1x12 to 4x12

Here's a good writeup of the "C" model: http://www.gizmag.com/yamaha-thr10c-amp-review/26617/

I went with the base 10 since it does a little bit of everything.
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Played with one in a shop a while back and it did sound nice for something so small and capable of battery power. Thought it was kind of pricey though, and was a little worried about the tiny speakers if I ever turned it up.

Ended up with the fender super champ x2... But now I realize the Yamaha would have been totally fine for my needs. The fender was off reverb for like half the going rate of the Yamaha though, so I'm not regretting it. Headphone port might be handy though.
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i see... from the reviews it sounds like it also functions as an interface. that's probably where i'd use something like this, just have it go in direct and hammer out ideas with a pre-modeled tone. that's really interesting that they model different cab configs. thx!

 

it'd be interesting to see something like a "ground up" modeled circuit, where you could choose a basic topology and start plugging in resistor values, develop a bias for gain stages, add-ons like negative feedback loop etc. and start actually designing an analog circuit. all using a digital interface. 

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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

i see... from the reviews it sounds like it also functions as an interface. that's probably where i'd use something like this, just have it go in direct and hammer out ideas with a pre-modeled tone. that's really interesting that they model different cab configs. thx!

it'd be interesting to see something like a "ground up" modeled circuit, where you could choose a basic topology and start plugging in resistor values, develop a bias for gain stages, add-ons like negative feedback loop etc. and start actually designing an analog circuit. all using a digital interface. 

The 100w one lets you choose tubes, cabs, and amplifier class, for each of the 5 models. Plus a boost, reverb and a loop.

As far as I can tell its models are loosely based on:

Roland jazz chorus
Tweed
Ac30
Plexi
Dual rec.

But since you can change the tubes and the amp class, they make a big deal that it's not meant to be emulations but their own thing. A tweed with kt88s into a 4x12 with an off axis mic is barely a tweed, basically.
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From reading the manual, you don't even have to plug a dummy load in if you want to go straight to the PA or headphone out, so you don't have to worry about frying the amp. That's awesome.
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

i see... from the reviews it sounds like it also functions as an interface. that's probably where i'd use something like this, just have it go in direct and hammer out ideas with a pre-modeled tone. that's really interesting that they model different cab configs. thx!

it'd be interesting to see something like a "ground up" modeled circuit, where you could choose a basic topology and start plugging in resistor values, develop a bias for gain stages, add-ons like negative feedback loop etc. and start actually designing an analog circuit. all using a digital interface. 

There's something called (I think) BiasFx that pretty much does exactly this.

Edit: it's bias amp. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aW6mF4gp_zg
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

dickhead, but I've done the exact same thing in the past tbh.

Thought I needed to sell my guitar then realised almost any other means of getting the money is a better alternative.

No further details necessary tbh.

I understand the argument and can sympathize, I just wish he didn't wait until I was on my way to pick it up to cancel on me.

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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

I have heard that they're releasing a 100w version. I would definitely gig that if it sounds as good as the bedroom amp.

They already released it: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/THR100

EDIT: Nevermind, looks like you already found it.
post #6086 of 6538
This motherfucker looks pretty incredible, as well. I'm on a bender looking at this kind of stuff since I have a 4 month old and need something pretty quiet for home practice.

http://line6.com/helix/
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congrats amigo!

 

i've only run my amp once since my 9 mo old was born and he got a kick out of it

post #6088 of 6538
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Originally Posted by double00 View Post

congrats amigo!

i've only run my amp once since my 9 mo old was born and he got a kick out of it

Gracias! She is pretty amused by the whole thing. The Yamaha was awesome last night because I can play with her in the room and have great tone at TV levels while not running the risk of blowing her ears apart.

The feel of the amp is what is really getting my attention, though. I've had little shit practice amps before and always tossed them in the closet because they suck to play through. This actually responds like a true amp.

The pignose has to be too damn loud to sound any good and that defeats the purpose of it, at least in this application.
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Originally Posted by grundletaint View Post


There's something called (I think) BiasFx that pretty much does exactly this.

Edit: it's bias amp. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aW6mF4gp_zg


i looked at a couple of demos of this - it kinda sorta does a diy model... it seems like the reality of these things are they're just a base modelled tone and there are layers of eq that you can apply and tweak with your choice of "cab", "transformer", "tube complement", etc.

 

i know i mentioned base topologies, but really i'm assuming an ability to break those topologies down into components and and actually model voltages etc so you can essentially design an amp without a breadboard, etc. having to do it by hand with live voltages. you could put together pedals etc this way too. sort of like a 3-D arch rendering, but instead of buildings and spaces your using CAD to predict voltage, current, and ultimately, tone.

 

the Yamaha does most of what this app does but in a frankly cooler package. at least you get a physical amp and it's probably a little more user friendly and "real". the only advantage i can see to using the app is that you can record your guitar naked and then apply a modeled tone after the fact. although i'm kinda suspecting that yamaha does that too! I'm just too lazy to read the manual right now lol...

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Originally Posted by double00 View Post


i looked at a couple of demos of this - it kinda sorta does a diy model... it seems like the reality of these things are they're just a base modelled tone and there are layers of eq that you can apply and tweak with your choice of "cab", "transformer", "tube complement", etc.

i know i mentioned base topologies, but really i'm assuming an ability to break those topologies down into components and and actually model voltages etc so you can essentially design an amp without a breadboard, etc. having to do it by hand with live voltages. you could put together pedals etc this way too. sort of like a 3-D arch rendering, but instead of buildings and spaces your using CAD to predict voltage, current, and ultimately, tone.

the Yamaha does most of what this app does but in a frankly cooler package. at least you get a physical amp and it's probably a little more user friendly and "real". the only advantage i can see to using the app is that you can record your guitar naked and then apply a modeled tone after the fact. although i'm kinda suspecting that yamaha does that too! I'm just too lazy to read the manual right now lol...

My desires are kinda the opposite from yours.

I don't care to model individual circuits, tubes or resistors. hell I don't even care what amp is being modeled.

I want global eq, global compression, global clipping etc. I don't care whether a kt88 sounds different from an el34, I want to be able to pick and choose what characteristics I want without being limited by old technology.

I think the Yamaha is both a step in that direction, but also a nice interface in that it lets you use it just like a normal amp.
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