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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

go to your GC and play the Fender Blues Jr. that they (apparently) have in stock there. It's 15 watts, and that'll take care of any doubt regarding power.

oof, they also have an absolutely awesome looking '65 Princeton Reverb reissue with special tolex. want (though I do have an actual '65 Princeton).
post #2222 of 3452
Most guitarists don't understand even remotely how relative wattage works.

I played a 500 person show with an 18 watt amp last year and it was unmiced. Had it running into a good 2x12 and it was loud as dickens.

Also, a very well made 15 watt amp will be much louder than a piece of crap 50 watt amp. I had a 50 watt Peavey Valveking, and it got its butt kicked by my Matchless Spitfire in terms of volume.
post #2223 of 3452
the Spitfire is an awesome amp. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I had the room for it.

and the point of wattage variation between amps is a good one. My DSL is 40 watts that I can get to sound good at different volumes. My JTM is 30 watts, but the way it delivers those 30 watts is really forward and direct, so it ends up needing good volume to get the tone right. The JTM also reacts much more with how you're picking the strings, while the DSL is cool if you're playing with just your damn finger nails.



also, icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif to playing in front of 500 people. Double icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif for doing it with an unmiced amp. if you were pushing tubes, then the tone must have been amazing.
post #2224 of 3452
So then convince me, SF, whether to spring for an AC-15 or AC-30? Sold on the general sound and vibe of a Vox, but I'm currently playing only digitally (via a Line6 PODxt, after selling my Fender Frontman 25 that I had for years).

Would like something that could do small to medium sized gigs w/o mic.
post #2225 of 3452
is the circuitry of the 15 the same as the 30?

Overall, the doubled power and extra speaker will make the 30 a whole lot louder than the 15. It might be too much power for general use, but good for an unmiked but bigger venue. I'd imagine that the 15 will be more than stuitable (and smaller and lighter).



also, whatever you do, spring for one of the older Brit-made AC's.
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

also, icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif to playing in front of 500 people. Double icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif for doing it with an unmiced amp. if you were pushing tubes, then the tone must have been amazing.
Indeed I had the amp running at about 1 to 2 o'clock on the dial. It was cranked in such a way that I could get some good crunch if I played hard but backing down on the volume knob would give perfect clean tone. This was a Tophat Supreme 16 actually, which is ironically rated at 18 watts. Loud freaking amp. Will shake the foundations with a 4x12.
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So then convince me, SF, whether to spring for an AC-15 or AC-30? Sold on the general sound and vibe of a Vox, but I'm currently playing only digitally (via a Line6 PODxt, after selling my Fender Frontman 25 that I had for years).

Would like something that could do small to medium sized gigs w/o mic.
I can give you some stories from the real world.

My friend has an AC30. He plays in a touring band. Typically we are talking 400-500 people. They play in venues that generally keep the SPL on the lower side. He routinely has to put his amp backstage or offstage and mic it. To get a good sound out of that amp, you need to push the volume to 4 or 5 on the dial, depending on whether you get a MV model. At that volume, you are talking about taking the amp backstage and micing it. It's just freaking loud.

I have owned multiple AC15's. Both MV and non-MV. They are all too loud for my house. Perfect for smaller shows. Once you get past 300 people at a show, you are going to be micing your amp anyway. No sane touring guitarist should ever need more than 15-30 watts. One of my best friends played at Loolapalooza last year and he literally brought an Orange Tiny Terror combo. They miced it and he was good to go.
post #2227 of 3452
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Originally Posted by El Argentino View Post

So then convince me, SF, whether to spring for an AC-15 or AC-30? Sold on the general sound and vibe of a Vox, but I'm currently playing only digitally (via a Line6 PODxt, after selling my Fender Frontman 25 that I had for years).

Would like something that could do small to medium sized gigs w/o mic.

AC15 is totally fine for small to medium sized gigs. My bandmate used one and had enough of headroom without being mic'd. The AC30 (which I've used extensively) is so loud I can never get it into it's sweet spot without pissing off pub owners. Though, my AC30 was vintage and had no master vol.
post #2228 of 3452
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This was a Tophat Supreme 16 actually, which is ironically rated at 18 watts. Loud freaking amp. Will shake the foundations with a 4x12.

nice. modeled after the AC15.
post #2229 of 3452
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So then convince me, SF, whether to spring for an AC-15 or AC-30? Sold on the general sound and vibe of a Vox

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPpgH1bcGT0&list=PLA05110219D025742

check out that playlist where they compared a few EL84 amps, including the AC15.
post #2230 of 3452
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Originally Posted by gomestar View Post

nice. modeled after the AC15.
To date, it's probably my favorite AC15 clone I've played, and I've pretty much played them all. It's really quite a simple amp. He literally designed it to be an exact copy of an AC15 but he added a mid control and some other really useful options like an EF86 and 12ax7 channel. I don't know too many amps that offer this, and when you think about it, it's a really awesome thing to do. Almost essential really. Why not have both?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPpgH1bcGT0&list=PLA05110219D025742

check out that playlist where they compared a few EL84 amps, including the AC15.
These are great videos. It's a shame guitarists they picked are playing some pretty lame riffs mostly that I'd say 90% of real guitarists find useless. But still gives you an idea of the general tone.

I've played all those, coincedentally... I can give an overview.

AC15 Hand Wired - Unsurprisingly, these things are about the truest you can get the vintage AC15 tone. In fact, they're so close that a lot of players get turned off of them because ironically, when we talk about Vox tone, we aren't always talking about the sound of an original AC15. This is why I like the Tophat stuff. They are a lot like a real Vox, but they sound more like players imagine they should, rather than how they actually do sound. I think the HW series is a bit overpriced but worth it if you are looking for that kinda thing.

Matchless Lightning - A very abrasive sounding amp. Kind of like an AC15 got in a fight with an EL34 amp, but kept the EL84 chime and clarity. More MID heavy than your typical Vox clone.

Dr. Z M12 - Hard to get a bad sound out of this amp. It sounds better doing hard rock stuff than the cleans to me. The Dr. Z has a bit more headroom than most AC15 types, which I think hurts the clean tone. You don't buy an AC15 for clean headroom. I think Dr. Z kinda missed the point their. Definitely not the amp to buy if you want traditional Vox tone.

65 London - You won't find any U2 style Vox sounds here. If I remember correctly it's a Marshall channel and a pre-top boost vox channel, which is not what most people expect. Great amp for what it is. But it's not Top Boost tone.

All are obviously top notch amps but all are very different. Really depends what you're looking for.
post #2231 of 3452
my takeaway from the videos is one should also acquire an old P90 Gibson ES.
post #2232 of 3452
So then, a local place is selling a used Vox Cambridge 30 for $250. Worth my time, or too many tech-headaches?
post #2233 of 3452
Are we talking about a 1960's Cambridge or one of the reissues?

If it's a newer one, then run far away. They are unreliable and sound more like a Fender than any kind of Vox. If it's an original, get it immediately.
post #2234 of 3452
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Are we talking about a 1960's Cambridge or one of the reissues?

If it's a newer one, then run far away. They are unreliable and sound more like a Fender than any kind of Vox. If it's an original, get it immediately.

Yes, unfortunately, it's one of the reissues begrudged by the internet for a bad opto-whatever.
post #2235 of 3452
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