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post #5791 of 19382
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
I could be wrong but it doesn't look like JR to me. There is a very distinctive "grey" cast to Rendenbach outsoles. In this case it may be covered by some sort of bottom stain but it's not typical.

I thought that was what they told me, but I could be mistaken. There seems to be a coloured finish on the sole:

post #5792 of 19382
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Originally Posted by Handmadeshoes View Post
For a student, he did a magnificent job. It is very hard to finish a sole and not see any blemishes. And the stitching on the welt looks incredibly straight too, another hard feat to overcome. As someone who can makes shoes as well, I pass on my sincere compliments to your student as well as yourself for being the teacher -Justin
She... And I thank you for the compliments, personally, and on her behalf, as well. She deserves them. That said...and in the interest of full disclosure and fairness...my seminars are three weeks long. We simply don't have time to hand stitch the outsole. Had we done that, the channel would not be visible.
post #5793 of 19382
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Originally Posted by NOBD View Post
I thought that was what they told me, but I could be mistaken. There seems to be a coloured finish on the sole:
No biggie. And if Rendenbach is offering outsoles with no logo on them now, I'd like to know. I might add that one of the things that has, hopefully, distinguished my work throughout the years and currently engages me about men's shoes, is that I have always thought that the leather and the workmanship should speak for themselves. Western (cowboy) boots come with the expectation of some sort of ornamentation or decoration. A bespoke maker is often at the "mercy" of the customer but over the years I have tried to avoid commissions that I thought would end up garish...a result that is all to easy to fall prey to. For me, a bottom finish should be bright, clear and almost transparent. Only then will the beauty of the leather shine through. Putting any kind of advertising on the bottom obscures the leather simply because the advertising is a message and the message draws the eye. It is tacky. It always will be tacky. It says "look at me!!" "Nothing else is important."
post #5794 of 19382
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
I don't believe that. To believe that you have to assume a truly astonishing level of disengagement...of thoughtlessness, of indifference to all aspects of quality, finish, refinement and elegance. If you never see the logo it's because you never look at the bottom of the shoes. If you never look at the bottom of the shoes, you have never seen the shoes, themselves.

If you never notice the stains, smudges and discolorations, you'll never notice when the soles are finished up beautifully. And if you never notice that, you'll never notice when the uppers are finished well, either. You'll never see when the stitching is crooked or coarse. The edges raw.

You'll never know and, probably just as importantly, won't care to know if the insole or the heelstack is cardboard (leatherboard) or that the upper is corrected grain leather.

To believe that one has to postulate eyes that cannot see, a mind that cannot think.

I believe the discussion was whether or not the logo should be on the sole, I am not saying that you shouldn't pay attention to quality and finish. I am simply saying that a small logo who nobody (except you) will see is not a big deal. I really don't mind it and I don't like logos.
post #5795 of 19382
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
No biggie.

Same here.


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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
I might add that one of the things that has, hopefully, distinguished my work throughout the years and currently engages me about men's shoes, is that I have always thought that the leather and the workmanship should speak for themselves.

Western (cowboy) boots come with the expectation of some sort of ornamentation or decoration. A bespoke maker is often at the "mercy" of the customer but over the years I have tried to avoid commissions that I thought would end up garish...a result that is all to easy to fall prey to.

For me, a bottom finish should be bright, clear and almost transparent. Only then will the beauty of the leather shine through. Putting any kind of advertising on the bottom obscures the leather simply because the advertising is a message and the message draws the eye. It is tacky. It always will be tacky. It says "look at me!!" "Nothing else is important."

I understand that, coming from someone who is proud of his craft, and righfully so, when I look at the photo's from your work. Greve sometimes do a small metal G on top of the shoe, and I specifically asked not to put one of those on mine, but I don't care too much about the sole. If you don't mind...
post #5796 of 19382
DW,
one way to get rid of the Rendenbach brand stamp is to buy their bends and cut your own soles. I did that when I used RB. Today I am using Garrats, a French tanners, bottom leather which is in my mind of better quallity since it is softer then the rock hard RB. Garrat's precut soles are without brandstamp.
Janne
post #5797 of 19382
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
Fuck you lay it on thick. It's like you take a good idea and then take it to some DWFII bizarro land extreme. It's a bit tiring, honestly. They're just shoe soles. They're just shoes. Relax.
Really? That's so disingenuous you could be a car salesman. Tell that to all the people who post photos of their shoes in a "Shoe Porn" thread. Tell that to the folks sitting at their computer chewing their nails and obsessing over the model numbers of lasts for RTW shoes. Model numbers for all love! And most of these people don't know a thing about what that model number represents...the degree in the heel, the toe spring, inside or straight cone, heelseat width, treadline width, etc.. Tell that to the people who post photos of JR outsoles as if they were something to spend endless hours fantasizing about. And I've got no problem with any of that. Whatever gets them off. But I suspect you're imagining things again...reading what isn't/wasn't there. Go back and read this discussion from the beginning. I wasn't the first one to respond to the JR outsole photo. Post #5693. I was just agreeing and providing a little objective background. From my point of view there's a small cadre of people who never contribute anything to these discussions except critiques of what other people say. You and AY come to mind and nothing I've seen since I first came on this board has changed my mind. You're notorious kibitzers and contrarians. I suspect what's really making you tired is talking out of your ass.
post #5798 of 19382
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Originally Posted by janne melkersson View Post
DW, one way to get rid of the Rendenbach brand stamp is to buy their bends and cut your own soles. I did that when I used RB. Today I am using Garrats, a French tanners, bottom leather which is in my mind of better quallity since it is softer then the rock hard RB. Garrat's precut soles are without brandstamp. Janne
Janne, Yes i know that. When Goetz was still in business we could buy bends...although the VAT and shipping could be killer. But since Goetz went tips up I don't have any idea who provides a similar service in the US. I wish I could get Garrats. I've heard good things about it. I have even emailed them several times. No joy. And I agree with you about the flintiness of JR.
post #5799 of 19382
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Originally Posted by forex View Post
I believe the discussion was whether or not the logo should be on the sole, I am not saying that you shouldn't pay attention to quality and finish. I am simply saying that a small logo who nobody (except you) will see is not a big deal. I really don't mind it and I don't like logos.
Actually it started with Nore(?) remarking that the JR outsoles weren't doing it for him, as I recall. I seconded that and went on to share some of my observations regarding Rendenbach leather over the years. Among those remarks were my observation that it was hard to get a clear bright finish on the JR outsoles because of the logo. And that I didn't see any reason for Rendendbach's obstinacy about the logo. That I thought it was a little tacky. And I Xposted a link to another post which I thought had articulated that POV better than I could. It went downhill from there with one of the perpetual gadflies that haunt this forum calling my remarks drivel. Everytime this individual has ever responded to one of my posts it has been abrasive, derogatory, and completely out of left field. Perhaps I get sucked into these exchanges a little too easily but it is hard to respect people who come in at the tail end of a discussion not having read anything that went before and make comments that add nothing...nothing...to the discussion or to understanding.
post #5800 of 19382

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post #5801 of 19382
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
When Goetz was still in business we could buy bends...although the VAT and shipping could be killer. But since Goetz went tips up........

Götz (goetz-service) is still very much in business.
They are, after all, the biggest grindery in Europe (and probably the world).

http://www.goetz-service.com/web/index.php

Download their catalogue and see what's on offer.
Yes. they do sell croupons, not only from Rendenbach but other tanneries as well.
post #5802 of 19382
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Originally Posted by bengal-stripe View Post
Götz (goetz-service) is still very much in business. They are, after all, the biggest grindery in Europe (and probably the world). http://www.goetz-service.com/web/index.php Download their catalogue and see what's on offer. Yes. they do sell croupons, not only from Rendenbach but other tanneries as well.
Bengal, You know I have ordered direct from them on many occasions--I have/used to have a special wholesaler's password. But they wanted a minimum. So, for small orders, I dealt with a couple of reps in the US--O. Baltor and McPheresons's out of Seattle. Now they are telling me that Goetz is out of business!? I just took it for face value. I am really glad to hear that they are still in business. I was really depressed when Geo. Barnsley went. Especailly after W. Pearce (?) shut down in the wake of the mad cow scare in the UK. Thank you...I'll see if I can still get my password to work with the Goestz site.
post #5803 of 19382
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
She...

And I thank you for the compliments, personally, and on her behalf, as well. She deserves them.

That said...and in the interest of full disclosure and fairness...my seminars are three weeks long. We simply don't have time to hand stitch the outsole. Had we done that, the channel would not be visible.

Is she hot? Because that would be awesome.
post #5804 of 19382
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post
Is she hot? Because that would be awesome.
She is...she's physically a very beautiful young woman. But I am old, married, and even in my prime I would have been too short for her.
post #5805 of 19382
Poast pics.
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