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post #5776 of 20759
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
Come on, we all know you are the archetypal SF yuppie, spoo. To be fair to AY though, I find this is a little difficult to believe - Really, JR Rendenbach, global brand du jour?
"Global brand du jour"???!! Let's see, you're quoting me from where? Which post? Or are you just putting words in my mouth? Reading what isn't there? How does a person even get close to reality when they spend so much time imagining things? I never said Rendenbach was a "global brand." But dear me boys, I've been using it for longer than many here have been alive. And I'm kind of isolated up here in the upper left-hand corner of the country. That's the USA, not Germany. And how does what you did quote of my remarks pertain to Rendenbach being a global brand, anyway? It really doesn't have anything to do with whether it's global or local. For that matter, take a moment and find a photo of any high-end English or French shoe and examine the bottom finish on them. Look at a pair of G&G's. Then look at the photos that were posted here of the shoes with the JR bottoms. You can protest (too much?) all you want about how you like that finish, but it looks dirty. No amount of mincing words will make it look anything but dirty. Especially by comparison. And the only reason it looks dirty is that it would look worse if the logo were removed. So choosing to use the Rendenbach soles and displaying the logo...presenting an amateurish bottom finish to a customer...is inexcusable unless the the logo is meant to convey a message. And the message I read is that the outsole is better quality than the rest of the shoe. Maybe yes, maybe no. But that's the message.
post #5777 of 20759
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
And the only reason it looks dirty is that it would look worse if the logo were removed. So choosing to use the Rendenbach soles and displaying the logo...presenting an amateurish bottom finish to a customer...is inexcusable unless the the logo is meant to convey a message.

And the message I read is that the outsole is better quality than the rest of the shoe. Maybe yes, maybe no. But that's the message.

Logically you would have to think this - especially if the company thought they were the "bee's knees" of leather soles. The whole point is that searing the logo into a sole is tacky or, alternatively for the aforementioned reasons, it is good corporate advertising.
post #5778 of 20759
For that matter, here's a pair of shoes that one of my students made. The bottom finish is clean and clear and sweet. Compare that to the JR's earlier in this thread. No need for a logo...the work speaks for itself.
post #5779 of 20759
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Originally Posted by meister View Post
Logically you would have to think this - especially if the company thought they were the "bee's knees" of leather soles. The whole point is that searing the logo into a sole is tacky or, alternatively for the aforementioned reasons, it is good corporate advertising.
Well, Rendenbach does have that attitude. I am not the only one who ever asked them to put their logo on the flesh side of the sole. To be fair they experimented with it--but only one part of one shipment they sent to one rep in the US. And then no more. Is it good corporate advertising? It isn't for me as a maker. And who else do they think is gonna buy their product? The average shoe buyer isn't in the market. Thing is, like you say, it's tacky. It doesn't make any difference if it's a cachet brand or not. It's a sandwichboard in the lobby of the Met, for all love!
post #5780 of 20759
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Originally Posted by apropos View Post
Come on, we all know you are the archetypal SF yuppie, spoo.

*gasp* Well, I never!

Im probably wearing the Vass again tomorrow, will post sole updates to see how far down the JR logo has worn throughout the day.
post #5781 of 20759
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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post
*gasp* Well, I never! Im probably wearing the Vass again tomorrow, will post sole updates to see how far down the JR logo has worn throughout the day.
No disrespect intended but you do understand don't you that the logo is "branded" into the grain? And that the grain is a fraction of a millimeter thick? The grain is the densest and smoothest layer and the only layer that can be given that beautiful waxed bottom finish. What is underneath it is a relatively coarse fiber mat. To break through that grain and remove the logo is to broach the grain and expose the fiber mat. It doesn't matter how long it takes--seconds, minutes or days. Once it is broached the grain can never be finished as clear and clean as when unsullied. And to remove the logo whether by glassing, fine sandpaper, or coarse asphalt is to remove the grain entirely.
post #5782 of 20759
WTF are you people talking about? Who cares about the logo on the sole of a pair of shoes,no one sees the logo anyways.
post #5783 of 20759
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Originally Posted by forex View Post
WTF are you people talking about? Who cares about the logo on the sole of a pair of shoes,no one sees the logo anyways.

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post #5784 of 20759
If I'm not mistaken, these are Rendenbach soles with the logo of the shoe brand:



I don't care for the logo, btw.
post #5785 of 20759
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Originally Posted by forex View Post
WTF are you people talking about? Who cares about the logo on the sole of a pair of shoes,no one sees the logo anyways.

Tell that to the chicks who love their Louboutin with red soles.
I swear you can stick red soles on any Walmart flip flops and they will positively orgas and put out for you.
post #5786 of 20759
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
For that matter, here's a pair of shoes that one of my students made. The bottom finish is clean and clear and sweet. Compare that to the JR's earlier in this thread. No need for a logo...the work speaks for itself.


For a student, he did a magnificent job. It is very hard to finish a sole and not see any blemishes. And the stitching on the welt looks incredibly straight too, another hard feat to overcome. As someone who can makes shoes as well, I pass on my sincere compliments to your student as well as yourself for being the teacher


-Justin
post #5787 of 20759
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
No disrespect intended but you do understand don't you that the logo is "branded" into the grain? And that the grain is a fraction of a millimeter thick?

Oh, none taken. I was just busting chops to throw a little levity into this otherwise intense discussion.
post #5788 of 20759
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Originally Posted by forex View Post
WTF are you people talking about? Who cares about the logo on the sole of a pair of shoes,no one sees the logo anyways.
I don't believe that. To believe that you have to assume a truly astonishing level of disengagement...of thoughtlessness, of indifference to all aspects of quality, finish, refinement and elegance. If you never see the logo it's because you never look at the bottom of the shoes. If you never look at the bottom of the shoes, you have never seen the shoes, themselves. If you never notice the stains, smudges and discolorations, you'll never notice when the soles are finished up beautifully. And if you never notice that, you'll never notice when the uppers are finished well, either. You'll never see when the stitching is crooked or coarse. The edges raw. You'll never know and, probably just as importantly, won't care to know if the insole or the heelstack is cardboard (leatherboard) or that the upper is corrected grain leather. To believe that one has to postulate eyes that cannot see, a mind that cannot think.
post #5789 of 20759
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Originally Posted by NOBD View Post
If I'm not mistaken, these are Rendenbach soles with the logo of the shoe brand: I don't care for the logo, btw.
I could be wrong but it doesn't look like JR to me. There is a very distinctive "grey" cast to Rendenbach outsoles. In this case it may be covered by some sort of bottom stain but it's not typical.
post #5790 of 20759
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
I don't believe that. To believe that you have to assume a truly astonishing level of disengagement...of thoughtlessness, of indifference to all aspects of quality, finish, refinement and elegance. If you never see the logo it's because you never look at the bottom of the shoes. If you never look at the bottom of the shoes, you have never seen the shoes, themselves. If you never notice the stains, smudges and discolorations, you'll never notice when the soles are finished up beautifully. And if you never notice that, you'll never notice when the uppers are finished well, either. You'll never see when the stitching is crooked or coarse. The edges raw. You'll never know and, probably just as importantly, won't care to know if the insole or the heelstack is cardboard (leatherboard) or that the upper is corrected grain leather. To believe that one has to postulate eyes that cannot see, a mind that cannot think.
Fuck you lay it on thick. It's like you take a good idea and then take it to some DWFII bizarro land extreme. It's a bit tiring, honestly. They're just shoe soles. They're just shoes. Relax.
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