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Originally Posted by isshinryu101 View Post
I will be sure to give you a great big hug and let you know I still love you if we ever meet, my friend. If I had realized I had offended your sensibilities, I would have certainly responded to YOUR rude commentary with nothing but kindness and compassion for your fragile ego.

Luckily, you have appointed yourself the protector of all who have 'internet balls' and feel they can freely type things they would not say in person, but can't take it when it comes back just as hard.

Seems like you don't understand the concept that Patrick isn't defending individuals but rather the notion that people are allowed to have opinions.

You seem to feel like you get a pass at insulting people if they have differing opinions. You are certainly entitled to that behavior. Rather hypocritical for someone who likes to talk about respect but entitled nonetheless.
post #5462 of 19111
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Edwin Clapp Ventilated Spectators, in Ostrich Skin & Mesh. Of course I needed SOME kind of exotic skin in order to buy them. New-Old-Stock, although the heels are disintegrating somewhat & will need to be replaced.
I don't mind them but I'm not real sure that they are genuine ostrich. I've been buying Ostrich from the premium producer--Klein Karoo Farms in South Africa--for near on to 40 years. I've never seen ostrich as dense or as thick as it appear on these shoes. What's more the quill bumps look to have pulled flat over the toe. Real ostrich seems to make the bumps get more pronounced when the surrounding leather is stretched. Nor does there seem to be any center to the bumps. On real ostrich a large (3-4mm) quill would have been firmly socketed within each bump...only to be removed just prior to harvest. I suppose this could be some odd vegetable tannage that never caught on but it looks so remarkably like a print....
post #5463 of 19111
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Originally Posted by isshinryu101 View Post
On one of the threads I recently read, I saw some pics of "perforated" shoes by Vass & John Lobb. Great for summer, or so it seems. While I can't get into the "perforated" shoes, I DO like vintage Ventilated shoes, which serve the same purpose- to keep your feet cool in the warm months.

Edwin Clapp Ventilated Spectators, in Ostrich Skin & Mesh. Of course I needed SOME kind of exotic skin in order to buy them. New-Old-Stock, although the heels are disintegrating somewhat & will need to be replaced.






Again, you push the envelope Isshy. Unique style - and the most eclectic collection of high-end shoes on the forum - by a long shot IMO. Not what I'd would wear myself, but the world needs sartorial boldness - why not? - and you've got it in spades.
Nice throw on the couch BTW


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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post
These G&G's are what made me rethink chukkas.

cross-hatching is lovely, bit like Russia calf

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Originally Posted by Fraiche View Post
Seems like you don't understand the concept that Patrick isn't defending individuals but rather the notion that people are allowed to have opinions.

You seem to feel like you get a pass at insulting people if they have differing opinions. You are certainly entitled to that behavior. Rather hypocritical for someone who likes to talk about respect but entitled nonetheless.

some of the crits of his shoes in the past have been brutal - not just the expression of an opinion. just sayin ..
post #5464 of 19111
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Originally Posted by Pliny View Post
cross-hatching is lovely, bit like Russia calf .

Totally agree. Do other makers do this cross-hatching or is it a G&G specialty?
post #5465 of 19111
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Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
I don't mind them but I'm not real sure that they are genuine ostrich. I've been buying Ostrich from the premium producer--Klein Karoo Farms in South Africa--for near on to 40 years. I've never seen ostrich as dense or as thick as it appear on these shoes.

What's more the quill bumps look to have pulled flat over the toe. Real ostrich seems to make the bumps get more pronounced when the surrounding leather is stretched. Nor does there seem to be any center to the bumps. On real ostrich a large (3-4mm) quill would have been firmly socketed within each bump...only to be removed just prior to harvest.

I suppose this could be some odd vegetable tannage that never caught on but it looks so remarkably like a print....

print indeed. these are pressed cowhide
post #5466 of 19111
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Originally Posted by Fraiche View Post
Seems like you don't understand the concept that Patrick isn't defending individuals but rather the notion that people are allowed to have opinions.

You seem to feel like you get a pass at insulting people if they have differing opinions. You are certainly entitled to that behavior. Rather hypocritical for someone who likes to talk about respect but entitled nonetheless.

Opinions are fine. Acting like a jerk while giving them is something else. "I read Edwin CRAP shoes first! Certainly the design is!" is either being an @sshole, or it's having a little fun and taking a friendly poke. Either one is fine with me, and my response is correct for either scenario.

Give a little, take a little.
post #5467 of 19111
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Originally Posted by Pliny View Post
some of the crits of his shoes in the past have been brutal - not just the expression of an opinion. just sayin ..

If he has eclectic style, he should have thick skin for it. This is the internet, it's always brutal.
post #5468 of 19111
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Originally Posted by Pliny View Post
Again, you push the envelope Isshy. Unique style - and the most eclectic collection of high-end shoes on the forum - by a long shot IMO. Not what I'd would wear myself, but the world needs sartorial boldness - why not? - and you've got it in spades.
Nice throw on the couch BTW
cross-hatching is lovely, bit like Russia calf

some of the crits of his shoes in the past have been brutal - not just the expression of an opinion. just sayin ..

modern day rendition of it!

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Originally Posted by Slewfoot View Post
Totally agree. Do other makers do this cross-hatching or is it a G&G specialty?

yes it is a G&G special, and i have a bespoke pair coming and had some samples made into CCW :-)
post #5469 of 19111
Vass Old English in Cigar Cordovan F last
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perfect.
post #5471 of 19111
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post
I would love to see the environment you grew up in. Whenever somebody doesn't like a shoe you post you criticise them of being rude, or ungracious.

It was the tone schmuckie...gedddiittt?

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Originally Posted by Fraiche View Post
You seem to feel like you get a pass at insulting people if they have differing opinions. You are certainly entitled to that behavior. Rather hypocritical for someone who likes to talk about respect but entitled nonetheless.

Lost the plot hour....



Further proof just how far Vass are ahead of Alden/AE using the same material supplier.
post #5472 of 19111
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Further proof just how far Vass are ahead of Alden/AE using the same material supplier.

If you hadn't reminded me, I wouldn't have even remembered. Does Horween have "grades" of shell, or is it just good old fashioned craftsmanship that makes even the leather itself appear so much nicer?
post #5473 of 19111
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Originally Posted by isshinryu101 View Post
. Does Horween have "grades" of shell, or is it just good old fashioned craftsmanship that makes even the leather itself appear so much nicer?

Being a natural material, no two shells will ever be identical. The maker selects the shell he'll work with and decides how to cut it. Clearly in the Vass, each piece is carefully cut with the grain running the same way, unlike Alden or C&J which seem to be cut randomly and show dichromatic tendencies, so much so that many pair look two-tone, no matter which way the light hits them. Then there is the matter of lasting and stitching...
post #5474 of 19111
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Originally Posted by well-kept View Post
Being a natural material, no two shells will ever be identical. The maker selects the shell he'll work with and decides how to cut it. Clearly in the Vass, each piece is carefully cut with the grain running the same way, unlike Alden or C&J which seem to be cut randomly and show dichromatic tendencies, so much so that many pair look two-tone, no matter which way the light hits them. Then there is the matter of lasting and stitching...
Shell does not have grain, unlike calf.
post #5475 of 19111
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Originally Posted by well-kept View Post
Being a natural material, no two shells will ever be identical. The maker selects the shell he'll work with and decides how to cut it. Clearly in the Vass, each piece is carefully cut with the grain running the same way, unlike Alden or C&J which seem to be cut randomly and show dichromatic tendencies, so much so that many pair look two-tone, no matter which way the light hits them. Then there is the matter of lasting and stitching...

THIS and Alden also dyes its Color 8 to that ugly eggplant color. WHY?
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