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Roger the workmanship on these is outstanding, I don't understand why this maker is not more loved. You should see the soles, wow!

Did you get those from Ed? They look great!!
yes sir a great guy to deal with
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yes sir a great guy to deal with

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Roger the workmanship on these is outstanding, I don't understand why this maker is not more loved. You should see the soles, wow!

 

I understand Vass has many more models, some more lasts and quality wise is about the same.  What differences can you tell between both shoemakers?. The outsoles are quite nice on those I must admitt (but same quality). Not many people like sturdy austro hungarian models  but should  they want to give them a try, most of us go to Vass (prices are about the same). I understand is the same for Dinkelacker, Attila and Roznai. Wish I could have one pair of each

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Jazz, I've worn my tobacco ones over 30 times and there are still no rolls! They are tanks,amazingly comfortable tanks!

Edit, @RogerP, the oxblood cordovan ones Ed has for sale should fit you nicely!

Well I'll have to check that out - cheers.
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Roger the workmanship on these is outstanding, I don't understand why this maker is not more loved. You should see the soles, wow!

 

I understand Vass has many more models, some more lasts and quality wise is about the same.  What differences can you tell between both shoemakers?. The outsoles are quite nice on those I must admitt (but same quality). Not many people like sturdy austro hungarian models  but should  they want to give them a try, most of us go to Vass (prices are about the same). I understand is the same for Dinkelacker, Attila and Roznai. Wish I could have one pair of each


Quick answer, I find the Buday quality to be superior to Vass. Heavier and sturdier but still very comfortable.

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Quick answer, I find the Buday quality to be superior to Vass. Heavier and sturdier but still very comfortable.
I only have one pair of Buday so don't know if I'd say they were superior to Vass but they're certainly on a par. Buday also have more Italianate lasts too. They just don't have much, if any presence on SF. Of my 2 pairs of Dinkelacker; the calf are a little step inferior quality wise but the shell appear to be as good as Buday
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I've tried Vass, Dinkelacker, Rozsnyai. D. has horrible blob lasts, fat welts and heavy soles, but good finishing. R. has refined as well as heavy lasts, all order options, good finishing. V. has the most beautiful lasts thanks to Roberto Ugolini, many models, good site and email correspondence, and good finishing. Vass is my favourite of these, but would like to try Buday one day. All Hungarian makers could improve by adopting narrower welts and tighter welt stitching as well as more contoured, chiseled lasts. All could learn much from Meccariello.
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I've tried Vass, Dinkelacker, Rozsnyai. D. has horrible blob lasts, fat welts and heavy soles, but good finishing. R. has refined as well as heavy lasts, all order options, good finishing. V. has the most beautiful lasts thanks to Roberto Ugolini, many models, good site and email correspondence, and good finishing. Vass is my favourite of these, but would like to try Buday one day. All Hungarian makers could improve by adopting narrower welts and tighter welt stitching as well as more contoured, chiseled lasts. All could learn much from Meccariello.
Do all schools of shoe making need to conform to AM's methods/style in your view then? I love the Austro/Hungarian styles and think there is plenty of room for all styles. IMO, some of the high end Italian Norv styles are downright ugly, talk about overdoing the welt!
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I am with Ozzy.  I hope austro hungarian shoemakers do not shift to Ugolini/G&G lasts and keep their essence.  The same way I hope English and Italians keep their own essence too.  Love all the styles and different craftmanship.

 

I do not want Castañer espardiles....

 

 

...to follow JL goth chick style either.:(

post #20335 of 20766
Alright, I will put it this way: I wish they would offer the changes I mentioned in at least some models because small welts and fine stitching make shoes look more formal and smarter as well. They also show the skills and patience of the artisan better than less-difficult-to-make alternatives. These changes would not make a shoe that much more expensive as wages are lower in Hungary. I will also ask: how many of us would buy shoes from Vass if they wouldn't offer those wonderful lasts from Ugolini? Budapesters and clunky shitkickers are eccentric, more of an acquired taste than universal hallmarks. As lasts go, Vass is just about the most un-Hungarian shoe shop available -- and they have succeeded above others because of this (that shoe book has helped as well).
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Alright, I will put it this way: I wish they would offer the changes I mentioned in at least some models because small welts and fine stitching make shoes look more formal and smarter as well. They also show the skills and patience of the artisan better than less-difficult-to-make alternatives. These changes would not make a shoe that much more expensive as wages are lower in Hungary. I will also ask: how many of us would buy shoes from Vass if they wouldn't offer those wonderful lasts from Ugolini? Budapesters and clunky shitkickers are eccentric, more of an acquired taste than universal hallmarks. As lasts go, Vass is just about the most un-Hungarian shoe shop available -- and they have succeeded above others because of this (that shoe book has helped as well).
Really? Until recently they had 2 lasts that fit the Italian mould, (F being a more English looking design IME) the rest, excepting maybe R, pretty much fit the shit kicking mould. Their Buda last is quite a bit more extreme than Buday's in how vertical the toe-box looks. They may sell a lot more of the Ugolini lasts to SF'ers and their ilk but that doesn't mean they don't sell as many or more of the others. Look at P2, that's pretty quickly becoming the go to boot last on here. As for the other makers, they all have more refined lasts, they just don't have the market presence of Vass or the name recognition of Ugolini (Whic has been a mill stone to Vass if stories are to be believed)
Tl:dr, Horses for courses
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Really? Until recently they had 2 lasts that fit the Italian mould, (F being a more English looking design IME) the rest, excepting maybe R, pretty much fit the shit kicking mould. Their Buda last is quite a bit more extreme than Buday's in how vertical the toe-box looks. They may sell a lot more of the Ugolini lasts to SF'ers and their ilk but that doesn't mean they don't sell as many or more of the others. Look at P2, that's pretty quickly becoming the go to boot last on here. As for the other makers, they all have more refined lasts, they just don't have the market presence of Vass or the name recognition of Ugolini (Whic has been a mill stone to Vass if stories are to be believed)
Tl:dr, Horses for courses

 

They've had the U, F and K last for a long time. Since a year back they also added an S and an SP last which both are more Italian (or English, in some case). And they work on more.

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They've had the U, F and K last for a long time. Since a year back they also added an S and an SP last which both are more Italian (or English, in some case). And they work on more.
I know Jesper, I meant they only recently introduced other non-east Euro styles in S and SP
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I know Jesper, I meant they only recently introduced other non-east Euro styles in S and SP

Ok, I see!
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Buday, whiskey shell cordovan maiden voyage, love em, outstanding workmanship. I wore them all day and still no 'shell rolls" icon_gu_b_slayer%5B1%5D.gif

Shoes for a lifetime of wear. Just ooze quality construction.
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