We would like to welcome House of Huntington as an official Affiliate Vendor. Shop past season Drake's, Nigel Cabourn, Private White V.C. and other menswear luxury brands at exceptional prices below retail. Please visit the Houise of Huntington thread and welcome them to the forum.
STYLE. COMMUNITY. GREAT CLOTHING.
Bored of counting likes on social networks? At Styleforum, you’ll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis.
Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today!
Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Please support us by using them. You may learn more here.
Yes. If you want 575 posts on the fallacy of gem shoes. No way! Sorry folks. I cannot, for the absolute friggin life of me, understand why this goes on and on. You can buy a lifetime roof or you can buy one that last 40 years - either way none of us will be living in the friggin house anymore. So I don't care. Yesterday I was walking in downtown Chicago and I saw so many gemming failures that I had to turn and look away from the shame and embarrassment knowing that I had spent all my money on gemmed shoes.
While we are at it, how many angels can break dance on the head of pin?
Having never had a shoe fail at the welt, nor ever heard any solid evidence as to quantifiable superiority of a hand welted shoe over a gemmed shoe I have to assume that the durability of the two methods is certainly within a range we could call 'fairly comparable'.
I would say that my current thinking is that you are entirely accurate in stating that there is little 'practical' difference between machine welted and glued shoes, based only on the welting method.
The goodyear yes!It seems to me that many here are way to focused on the welting methods as a shortcut to determining overall value/quality.
Let's discuss things that really matter. This gemming issue is a true red herring not worthy of serious discussion
The only thing comes to mind is St Crispins, but then they are wood pegged and it has its downsides for durability. Glued-on welt still sounds better than nailing the sole like an vampire.
True and with a few English grammar lessons he would be even more imposing as a poster...IMO of course...
.
One man's subjective opinion on a factory technique or mindset is not a valid reason to dismiss a whole way of shoemaking.
http://www.styleforum.net/t/45403/some-pics-of-saint-crispins-shoes/90#post_4800091
Made perfect sense to me. Similar to the argument against gemmed shoes. But what do I know.
you should re-read those 575 the ones that make sense in English, that is). The gentleman knows a LOT about shoe construction. You can agree with the opinions as you wish, but what he offers as fact is just that... fact.
A HUGE part of spending the BIG Bucks on top shoes is simply KNOWING that they are so well made. That all the detailing is perfect. From 3+ feet away, it becomes difficult or impossible to discern any of those details which separate the $250 shoe from the $600 from the $1200+. The Shoe Connoisseur (IE: ADDICT) doesn't care if anyone else knows or notices. It's about the pleasure of knowing yourself. It seems that the man sometimes throws a wrench into this line of thinking with his Construction Facts. Isn't construction supposed to be one of those "details"- maybe even the most important one?
If so, can one justify buying a pair of $1100+ shoes for "the details" when the most important one is being ignored?????
so how many times can goodyear welted shoes have their soles replaced?
not many man know how to welt gemmed shoe by hand this day now.if the machine keeps poking new holes in the welt everytime it is resoled then won't the welt need to be replaced eventually and how much would that cost?
you should re-read those 575 the ones that make sense in English, that is). The gentleman knows a LOT about shoe construction. You can agree with the opinions as you wish, but what he offers as fact is just that... fact.
A HUGE part of spending the BIG Bucks on top shoes is simply KNOWING that they are so well made. That all the detailing is perfect. From 3+ feet away, it becomes difficult or impossible to discern any of those details which separate the $250 shoe from the $600 from the $1200+. The Shoe Connoisseur (IE: ADDICT) doesn't care if anyone else knows or notices. It's about the pleasure of knowing yourself. It seems that the man sometimes throws a wrench into this line of thinking with his Construction Facts. Isn't construction supposed to be one of those "details"- maybe even the most important one?
If so, can one justify buying a pair of $1100+ shoes for "the details" when the most important one is being ignored?????
True and with a few English grammar lessons he would be even more imposing as a poster...IMO of course...
$200 for a welted shoe? That's a good value--you might not like the style or other aspects of the shoe but it is a good value.
[COLOR=0000FF]To hand welt factory made shoes would add a huge amount to the costs making them even more expensive to the customer.It is pointless comparing industrial made shoes to small scale handwork, they are not the same beast.
One man's subjective opinion on a factory technique or mindset is not a valid reason to dismiss a whole way of shoemaking[/COLOR].
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'" - Isaac Asimov, column in Newsweek (21 January 1980)
[COLOR=0000FF]so how many times can goodyear welted shoes have their soles replaced? if the machine keeps poking new holes in the welt everytime it is resoled then won't the welt need to be replaced eventually and how much would that cost[/COLOR]?