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post #17491 of 20643
I might have overreacted, but calling my post, in which I suggest to someone to wear his (at least) 24 pairs of shoes instead of buying even more, nonsense, made my blood boil a little.
I hate watching people collect things which are meant to be used in large numbers only to use them far too little or not at all.
I consider wearing a shoe only once a year a waste of time, material and worksmanship because it's very likely the shoe will outlive me without myself getting the better part out of it beforehands and that is not what the craftsman made it for.

As for Charles, sure we don't know and never will.
But you said it yourself, it's a pair of Lobbs, they have at least one bespoke last of him, so no need for excessive fittings.
In the time they have added the patches and resoled the shoes they have for surely replaced the foot bed as well.
I'm pretty sure Charles does not wear his clothes patched because of laziness, he is much too vain for it to be true, but because he knows about and lives up to his role as a representative.
Also I think all three examples shown above look very nicely, the pieces have obviously experienced a lot and have a unique story to them.
post #17492 of 20643
Gusvs, wow! icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #17493 of 20643
Don't mind Charles' patch on his suit, didn't even realise it when I first read your post, but I do agree that he needs a new pair of shoes.
post #17494 of 20643
Those shoes have been covered before on SF. Most, as I recall, were happy he's kept his shoes viable all this time.
post #17495 of 20643
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Originally Posted by Louis XIV View Post

Some people pile up as much as they can, for the sole reason because they can.
Others can appreciated the time, materials and worksmanship needed to create something unique.
They will handle those products with as much respect, pride and care as possible for as long as possible, no matter how much more they can afford.
Style has little to do with dress and a lot to do with attitude, which is why some people will never be regarded as classy or stylish by myself no matter how good their shoemaker or tailor might be.

Charles does it right



Peasants cannot always justify and model their behavior after a Prince.

And the dead Sun King should not imitate a Prince's style.
post #17496 of 20643

G&G MTOs came in (quick iPhone pics):

 

 

 

 

 

post #17497 of 20643
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

Those shoes have been covered before on SF. Most, as I recall, were happy he's kept his shoes viable all this time.

 

As I understand it, he has rather a lot of shoes.  He's a great believer in traditional workmanship and has commissioned many English makers over the years.  But it seems he has a special sentimental attachment to this particular pair of shoes.  One story I heard was that they were a gift from his (late) favourite uncle Louis.  

 

Still, remember also that he's a man in his sixties, who was raised in the ultimate aristocratic surroundings.  It's a cultural thing among those people to avoid waste, and I've come across many "old money" types in torn Barbour jackets and scuffed wellingtons, driving their beaten up Landrovers full of straw and sheep shit.  These people know how to dress formally, but they also detest fuss and superficiality.  It's an odd world.  And of course a little ironic considering the cost and concept of a royal family, but that's just the way it is.

 

 

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G&G MTOs came in (quick iPhone pics):

 

 

 

 

As I believe they say in New Jersey: "fuckin 'eh!"

 

 

*[To my knowledge, His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales, has never in his life said "fuckin' eh".]

post #17498 of 20643
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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

As I understand it, he has rather a lot of shoes.  He's a great believer in traditional workmanship and has commissioned many English makers over the years.  But it seems he has a special sentimental attachment to this particular pair of shoes.  One story I heard was that they were a gift from his (late) favourite uncle Louis.  

Still, remember also that he's a man in his sixties, who was raised in the ultimate aristocratic surroundings.  It's a cultural thing among those people to avoid waste, and I've come across many "old money" types in torn Barbour jackets and scuffed wellingtons, driving their beaten up Landrovers full of straw and sheep shit.  These people know how to dress formally, but they also detest fuss and superficiality.  It's an odd world.  And of course a little ironic considering the cost and concept of a royal family, but that's just the way it is.

+1

I understand that is, indeed, how Charles (and many others) is/are.
post #17499 of 20643
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Originally Posted by gyasih View Post

You have a marvelous collection!
Thank you!
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Originally Posted by isshinryu101 View Post

utter nonsense. There are 365 days in a year. As long as a pair of shoes is worn once a year, it is getting loved. Anything over 365 pairs MAY be excessive. nod[1].gifnod[1].gifnod[1].gif
I agree smile.gif
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Awesome collection! Great selections. 
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Gusvs, wow! icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Thank you both!

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G&G MTOs came in (quick iPhone pics):





Congratulations, they look great!
post #17500 of 20643
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Originally Posted by TheWraith View Post

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Originally Posted by mimo View Post

As I understand it, he has rather a lot of shoes.  He's a great believer in traditional workmanship and has commissioned many English makers over the years.  But it seems he has a special sentimental attachment to this particular pair of shoes.  One story I heard was that they were a gift from his (late) favourite uncle Louis.  

Still, remember also that he's a man in his sixties, who was raised in the ultimate aristocratic surroundings.  It's a cultural thing among those people to avoid waste, and I've come across many "old money" types in torn Barbour jackets and scuffed wellingtons, driving their beaten up Landrovers full of straw and sheep shit.  These people know how to dress formally, but they also detest fuss and superficiality.  It's an odd world.  And of course a little ironic considering the cost and concept of a royal family, but that's just the way it is.

+1

I understand that is, indeed, how Charles (and many others) is/are.

Well said, Mimo
post #17501 of 20643
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Originally Posted by Louis XIV View Post

I hate watching people collect things which are meant to be used in large numbers only to use them far too little or not at all.

 

I don't understand this.  What's it to you what other people do with their shoes? And why do you get to say what constitutes "too little" use for someone else?

 

I know guys with 50-plus top quality watches.  More than I could wear or use with any regularity and hence more than I would choose to own even if I could afford such.  But their ownership of what would be for me an excessive number of pieces doesn't bother me in any way.  Nor would I consider it my place to tell them they have "too many" watches.

post #17502 of 20643
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50-plus top quality watches... more than I would choose to own even if I could afford

 

Pants on fire! :stirpot:

post #17503 of 20643
Well, I guess I just simply have a different attitude than most of you, but to me products made by the hands of a true craftsman are a unique piece of art.
True artists create things for a reason and in case of a shoemaker, tailor or watchmaker they create their products to be used.
Sadly craftsman are not able to earn as much money with the work of their hands as others do in different fields of work.
So for a shoemaker to be able to feed his family he will agree on selling you as many pairs of shoes as you want, eventhough he knows they will just be another pair in your "collection".
Why should a craftsman use the best materials as well as take hundreds and thousands of hours of his time to practice and finally execute the best possible quality handwork if the product he puts out will finally only be put into a showcase instead of given the chance to proof it's superiority in daily use?
Every craftsman I have spoken to so far was very proud of his work and very rightly so, and everyone of them told me he much prefered the look of a used garment of his over a freshly created one.
Used garments do have a story to tell, they reveal a lot about their creator as well as their wearer and their lifestyles, they are a living testament of the value that is in proper handwork.

For those folks of you who are into oldtimers, even as a German I have to say I am much more a Bentley guy, seeing how their owners give them the use they deserve, no matter if sunshine or rain, embracing every single fly in the radiator grill, every single chip in the paint and reparing their cars on their own over those "collectors" of Mercedes, who invite you to dinner to their home to show you their Benz sitting in a perfectly tidy garage that neither does smell of gas nor does show any sign of oil on its shiny lightcolored tiles and lets you know it's owner has never exhanged a petrol line on their own.
They will prefer towing over driving their cars to meetups and they will be always seen running around with a polishing cloth and dare you touch their babies, you will face a proper German bureaucratic lawsuit!

Collecting commodity without giving it at least the chance of being worn through some day to me is not only waste but disrespect towards its creator and per se in bad taste.
post #17504 of 20643
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Originally Posted by Louis XIV View Post

Well, I guess I just simply have a different attitude than most of you, but to me products made by the hands of a true craftsman are a unique piece of art.
True artists create things for a reason and in case of a shoemaker, tailor or watchmaker they create their products to be used.
Sadly craftsman are not able to earn as much money with the work of their hands as others do in different fields of work.
So for a shoemaker to be able to feed his family he will agree on selling you as many pairs of shoes as you want, eventhough he knows they will just be another pair in your "collection".
Why should a craftsman use the best materials as well as take hundreds and thousands of hours of his time to practice and finally execute the best possible quality handwork if the product he puts out will finally only be put into a showcase instead of given the chance to proof it's superiority in daily use?
Every craftsman I have spoken to so far was very proud of his work and very rightly so, and everyone of them told me he much prefered the look of a used garment of his over a freshly created one.
Used garments do have a story to tell, they reveal a lot about their creator as well as their wearer and their lifestyles, they are a living testament of the value that is in proper handwork.

For those folks of you who are into oldtimers, even as a German I have to say I am much more a Bentley guy, seeing how their owners give them the use they deserve, no matter if sunshine or rain, embracing every single fly in the radiator grill, every single chip in the paint and reparing their cars on their own over those "collectors" of Mercedes, who invite you to dinner to their home to show you their Benz sitting in a perfectly tidy garage that neither does smell of gas nor does show any sign of oil on its shiny lightcolored tiles and lets you know it's owner has never exhanged a petrol line on their own.
They will prefer towing over driving their cars to meetups and they will be always seen running around with a polishing cloth and dare you touch their babies, you will face a proper German bureaucratic lawsuit!

Collecting commodity without giving it at least the chance of being worn through some day to me is not only waste but disrespect towards its creator and per se in bad taste.

 

 

 

I'm not surprised that many will take offense at the notion that someone thinks that they have too much of something.  Most people don't like to be accused of having "excess."  But I will say that I can appreciate the sentiment behind this post and that it does represent how I prefer to use my belongings.  I'd much rather buy the best I can and lovingly use it, watching it grow old and gracefully aging, rather than having a full showcase of barely used things.

 

I fully agree that any craftsman who creates an item that is meant to be used as opposed to put under glass, on a shelf, or hung on a wall would rather invest his time in creating something that will be used to it's fullest potential; rather than collecting dust and seeing the light of day only a few times per year.  There does seem to be an injustice in there somewhere.

 

Of course, there is a slippery slope side to this discussion.  To some, a pair of shoes only has to be worn once a year to be "used", while to others, it must be once a month, once a week, twice a week...

post #17505 of 20643
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Originally Posted by Louis XIV View Post

I might have overreacted, but calling my post, in which I suggest to someone to wear his (at least) 24 pairs of shoes instead of buying even more, nonsense, made my blood boil a little.
I hate watching people collect things which are meant to be used in large numbers only to use them far too little or not at all.
I consider wearing a shoe only once a year a waste of time, material and worksmanship because it's very likely the shoe will outlive me without myself getting the better part out of it beforehands and that is not what the craftsman made it for.

As for Charles, sure we don't know and never will.
But you said it yourself, it's a pair of Lobbs, they have at least one bespoke last of him, so no need for excessive fittings.
In the time they have added the patches and resoled the shoes they have for surely replaced the foot bed as well.
I'm pretty sure Charles does not wear his clothes patched because of laziness, he is much too vain for it to be true, but because he knows about and lives up to his role as a representative.
Also I think all three examples shown above look very nicely, the pieces have obviously experienced a lot and have a unique story to them.

No offense intended. I just had to poke a bit of fun at the idea that 24 pairs of shoes is too many...when it is stated on Style Forum. This is the land of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder! And, ultimately, there is nothing wrong with that. Many visit this site daily and spend considerable amounts of time researching, recording (thru photos), then composing extensive essays about our loves for items that show our personal style. In this world, there is no such thing as "too many".

To be clear, I DO agree that these items NEED to be worn. As an addict of Vintage Shoes (mainly 1920's- 1950's), it pains me to see a pair of wonderful shoes that still survives, yet sits in a closet and is never worn. What a waste! The question is, "How often must an item be worn/ used in order for it to get the respect it deserves as a work of art"?

For example, I have these 1940's Stetson alligator Oxford Captoes.





I LOVE these shoes. 100% handmade and unique. MEANT to be worn, to be sure. NOW, when the heck do I wear them? In a year, I may wear them 2x. They aren't a "regular rotation" shoe, but rather an attention grabber and conversation topic. Twice a year is fine for them. They are quite content to sit in vintage shoe trees and bathe in conditioner for 6 months, then get worn that one time... then repeat. They will one day go to my son (if they fit him), or to some other shoe lover (if they do not).
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