Originally Posted by TehBunny
How far into your shoes do your feet go; or how far into the toe cap do your feet go? A picture from someone's shoe archive with a quick line drawn on MS paint would be fantastic!
When I see some of the aggressive lasts one shoes I think how? But having short wide feet with tiny heels means I can't wear many beautiful shoes....
Too bad the News about Shoes forum is not in English. The information looks good but could be misunderstood...esp. the second link.
Providing the shoes are the correct length...heel to ball...for your feet, (and that's really the most critical fit of all) the amount of room beyond the toes is nearly (within reason) immaterial. Yes, a shoe can be too short in the forepart and yes, it can be too long, but generally speaking all that is required is sufficient
room. Of course, that addresses both the length and height of the toe stiffener.
The real problem is that some lasts are designed with extra length. Modern lasts in particular. Classic lasts and classic fit always assumed three full sizes (or one-eleventh of the foot length) as the correct clearance between the longest toe and the inside of the shoe, for a medium-round toed shoe. And "the rule of thumb"...literally...was always that there should be clearance, inside the wide-round
toed shoe, equal to the width of a man's thumb (roughly two full sizes)--nothing less--and for narrower toed shoes, relatively more.
Some chisel-toe lasts, today, are as much as four full sizes or perhaps even five full sizes longer than the "stick" or length of the foot (LOF) . There is no problem with this as long as the toe stiffener comes back far enough to allow the foot to control the forepart of the shoe.
The other issue is that while "toebox" is perfectly good terminology...among shoemakers...for the toe stiffener, it can be misinterpreted by customers or non-shoemakers. If a shoe has a toe cap (as in the second link) it does not necessarily define the limits of the toe stiffener or the toe box. IOW, just because your toes are under the toe cap doesn't mean that they are in the toe box...they probably are but it's not guaranteed.
Bottom line is that for any given shoe from any given reputable maker, the chances are very, very good that if you are fit properly...esp. heel to ball...your toes, and where they are relative to the end of the shoe, are not to worry about.
If you're properly fit and it's still a problem, you need to be custom fit--MTM perhaps.
--Edited by DWFII - 3/25/13 at 9:08am