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post #151 of 170
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Originally Posted by thealbatross
I find your statement more bluntly offensive than anything I have written here;
I'm sorry you're so easily offended. You called everyone ugly, I called a small subset creepy. Willie seems confident in his choice and able to defend himself. Why is it that criticism only ever offends those who were not the target?

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Do you consider what in many cases could be considered by many as needless breast augmentation to be "creepy"? If so I apologize in advance for assuming you apply a double standard.
Creepy no, kind of gross yes. And like it or not, there is a double standard.
post #152 of 170
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tiger02
Why is it that criticism only ever offends those who were not the target?.

That's a good question; I could of asked the same about those who were offended by my original statement, yet were unwilling to have a truthful conversation about their own self image as it related to their own attractiveness issues.
post #153 of 170
Yes, you could *have*. I agree that there were many touchy responses.
post #154 of 170
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tiger02
Yes, you could *have*. I agree that there were many touchy responses.


I am glad we agree on something. I was originally offended by your statement because Willie was going the distance to discuss his own issues in a very forthright manner, much in the way that I intended to when I started this topic and felt that his experience with plastic surgery should of been given a bit more respect than being called creepy, or whatever other off handed remarks were made. While I am certain that there must be other members who have had or considered having plastic surgery; I very much doubt that they would say as much now because of such comments.
post #155 of 170
Altering one's appearance through surgery is a pretty major undertaking. If one is not utterly confident in the choice, it is probably not a good fit. I would expect that someone considering a procedure would be more comfortable discussing it with anonymous strangers on the internet than he would simply showing up at his weekly bridge meet with a new nose.

I still discuss suit-shirt-tie pairings on the board, regardless of how they have been mocked. I am confident in my choices so am not too worried about, again, a host of anonymous strangers' opinions of me.
post #156 of 170
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Originally Posted by thealbatross
Do you consider what in many cases could be considered by many as needless breast augmentation to be "creepy"? If so I apologize in advance for assuming you apply a double standard.
Well, there are some very creepy-looking extreme boob-jobs out there, IMHO.
post #157 of 170
Death becomes the archbishop.
post #158 of 170
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Originally Posted by johnapril
Death becomes the archbishop.
You shouldn't smoke those things, you know.
post #159 of 170
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Originally Posted by willie
I can understand why many people have very negative feelings about plastic surgery. There are good and bad reasons to have plastic surgery.

There are plenty of men who would prefer a shorter hair style but grow their hair long because they have been teased about their protruding ears: I see no reason why they should not have this corrected through a very simple procedure. This is actually a very common procedure for men.

I had a favorite uncle when I was a teenager who was a very handsome man except that he had a very long, ugly nose. Many of the family members ridiculed him for considering plastic surgery. I told him to have the ugly nose fixed and he was grateful to find some support. He found a good surgeon and looked great for the rest of his life.

The work of a good plastic surgeon is usually not obvious. Where some people get in trouble in when they unreasonably seek perfection. I do not see anything wrong with correcting basic flaws that greatly impair one's appearance, and possibly quality of life.

The one procedure that many older people seem to go overboard with is eye surgery. I notice a lot of people who always look surprised because their eyes seem to be open too wide. Some people also have too many facelifts and do not look at all natural. Also strange to see a slim, petite woman with massive breasts. Generally speaking, you do not notice the good work. For this reason people think all surgery is obvious.

Severe maloclusion can also cause various problems. For some people crowded, protruding teeth destroy the appearance of the entire lower half of the face and jaw, can also cause serious speech impediments. I currently know one woman who would be beautiful except that she looks so horrible every time she opens her mouth.

In contemporary American society it is no longer necessary to go through life with these disadvantages

Forgive me, but this sounds like a sales pitch.
post #160 of 170
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Originally Posted by Margaret
Forgive me, but this sounds like a sales pitch.
It's a discussion of his own issues in a very forthright manner! It should be given a bit more respect than being called creepy, or whatever other off handed remarks were made!

Interesting conversation, and to think the two primaries are brand new members...just, wow man.

(edit: no, I don't think anyone in this thread is a troll. Other than maybe me.)
post #161 of 170
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Originally Posted by tiger02

Interesting conversation, and to think the two primaries are brand new members...just, wow man.


It's uncanny.

No, there is certainly no trolling going on here. 'Trolling' is causing controversy and/or disruption without no underlying agenda beyond idle amusement. This is... something else entirely. Something... evil.
post #162 of 170
I have been thinking of Botox if my show comes back on the air. What happened to the pretender, Tetsuchic?
post #163 of 170
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Originally Posted by Bradford
I would disagree with this statement. I believe that mid-30's to mid-50's is probably when most men look their best. Take a look at male news anchors or TV talk show hosts. Most are in this age range and look better than the young-20's reporter on the local weekend news.

It's like the old saying, "men mature, women age".

And in fact, those men often have more success in pursuing the young, beautiful women than they did previously. Didn't anyone else notice that an awful lot of the really good-looking women were always going out with the older guys?

Less successful men are less likely to be noticed by other men. (They're likely to be less social, too.) Attractive woman with much less attractive older man has been shown to often be linked to status. Most women want men only slightly older than they are.

Men are said to be at their maximum strength potential at age 29. Most men are obviously past their physically prime by age 35, although somatotype and facial bone structure usually will distinguish the formerly great-looking from those not so gifted by nature.

Improvements in social skills and attire (see status) help somewhat. For many, so does the natural deepening of the voice (which continues into middle age).

By the age of 40, the man who has never been married is very unlikely to ever marry.

In sum, assuming he prefers young women, after his early thirties at the latest, time is going to decrease the average man's attractiveness and chances.
post #164 of 170
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Originally Posted by Lucky Strike
You shouldn't smoke those things, you know.

hey archbishops aren't things they're people too!!!
post #165 of 170
Thread Starter 
As it relates to this topic I was rather astonished to read some of the responses to the "What is the most you would spend on..." thread in regards to how little some members are willing to pay for a haircut versus socks or underwear. Even with the limited hair I have up top I am more than willing to spend 30+ on a haircut. Considering that a person walks around with the same head of hair everyday it seems that those interested in their overall appearance would be at least willing to invest the same amount of money and effort into their hair as they would with purchasing a tie. So much for the comments about the membership being above average in the grooming department; for the life of me I have never seen a good $10 haircut.
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