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post #16 of 92
[He says sheepishly...] Actually it was my fault. It turns out we have both a SundanceWest and East. I was looking at the West coast feed. But I managed to see the show. My thoughts:

I didn't mind the shots of the Bentley, but his non-stop talk about the shit being on fire (or whatever it was) at the show was kind of annoying. Come on, they're walking down a catwalk.

As for the hungry model (aren't they all?), I would have fired him too. Who the hell does he think he is? He's the hired help. Shut the f--- up and do your job.

Other than that, my overall impression was that the show was sort of blah. Maybe we need to get into the coming episodes where he slams into the realities of franchising agreements and US corporate law. Thrills a minute!

I did find the bits with his family rather endearing.

bob
post #17 of 92
for all us not state siders where can i download it??
post #18 of 92
i thought he was charming, not really smug at all. just entrepreneurial. he's got good energy.

the phrase was something like 'smoke that shit'. i think he was just trying to hype up the models backstage. it was funny when he sent the photog out there on the catwalk.
post #19 of 92
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Originally Posted by faustian bargain
i thought he was charming, not really smug at all.

One man's Charming is another man's Obnoxious.
post #20 of 92
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Originally Posted by luk-cha
for all us not state siders where can i download it??


I second this, would be great to find a tv-rip of this series.
post #21 of 92
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Originally Posted by faustian bargain
i thought he was charming, not really smug at all. just entrepreneurial. he's got good energy.

the phrase was something like 'smoke that shit'. i think he was just trying to hype up the models backstage. it was funny when he sent the photog out there on the catwalk.


Yes, I agree. I didn't find him to be obnoxious at all. He was just thrilled about life and really dying to make it in the US.

Having his photog friend fill in was great. Especially since he seemed to do so well--which just points out that it takes no talent whatsoever to be a model. You only have to look the part.

bob
post #22 of 92
Finally saw the Tivo'd first episode. Interesting but not great. Ozwald seems intense, very self-conscious about his image (it felt like he was playing to the camera when making adjustments to the patternsfor his RTW suiting - "Make the armhole higher, more Edwaaaardian") and he has not, thus far, displayed much business acumen. Just a large ego and a ton of energy. Which helps, don't get me wrong, but is not all that is needed to succeed. He seems more enthusiastic than entrepreneurial - I wonder if he has succeeded despite himself from a business perspective. He has not been shown as the captain of the ship from a strategy perspective. For example, he does not seem to have much of a reason for going into the US other than that he wants to and it is a big market (but so is China), and I have no sense why he would jump in with his own dedicated stores (much higher risk) vs showing a collection within boutiques (or is he already doing this?). Anyhow...I am as interested in the practicalities of this as I am in seeing Ozwald preen and praising his own early suits, but I am likely an outlier in that regard.
post #23 of 92
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Originally Posted by Duveen
He seems more enthusiastic than entrepreneurial - I wonder if he has succeeded despite himself from a business perspective. He has not been shown as the captain of the ship from a strategy perspective. For example, he does not seem to have much of a reason for going into the US other than that he wants to and it is a big market (but so is China),

Definitely. I think his attitude is (and actually didn't he say this) "I want X, you figure out how to get it, that's why I hired you." That said, in the previews for the next show, he seems clueless about some of the technicalities. Why isn't he hiring an attorney or someone to tell him exactly what has to be done (maybe he has).

As for why the US, just because it is important I suppose. He feels that will be a sign of true success on a grander scale and so that's why he's doing it. There doesn't have to be a pure profit motive. He could be motivated by....wait for it.....ego! And just the sense of making himself happy.


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Originally Posted by Duveen
Anyhow...I am as interested in the practicalities of this as I am in seeing Ozwald preen and praising his own early suits, but I am likely an outlier in that regard.

I'm with you on this. I am actually waiting to see all about the technical aspects of this. I don't study franchising in particular, but it is on the periphery of what I do study, industry structure and agency theory, so it will be interesting to see what motivates him to choose a particular agreement to sell in the US. And we get cool men's clothing thrown in.

bob
post #24 of 92
Boateng is sold in a store in LA called Traffic. I don't think he is sold anywhere else in the US although I could be wrong.

Sounds like Gastineau Girls, only with a man. Whatever happened to the Gastineau daughter? I think her name was Brittney.
post #25 of 92
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Originally Posted by RJman
Boateng is sold in a store in LA called Traffic.

yep, but their collection is pretty limited. I remember seeing Boateng in the frisco Saks back in the mid 90s. It would be nice to have a store to see the full range of his gear. I've yet to see any shirts from his upper 'bespoke couture' line, just OZ which arent very good.
post #26 of 92
So it seems like his previous attempt was only having his stuff in other people's stores (just Sack's). So his new attempt then is to have his own store. Makes sense. Maybe he figures his name is big enough now to make it with his own storefront.

bob
post #27 of 92
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Originally Posted by rdawson808
Maybe he figures his name is big enough now to make it with his own storefront. bob
That's where I think he may get educated by the market. His name just ain't that big - he's no Paul Smith and a lot of his stuff is fairly hard to wear. This show will help increase name recognition to some extent, but most watchers won't be buyers, and if he is trying to open six locations at once he will be hit hard when the spotlight turns away from him and he is stuck with all that real estate and merch. I think that setting up in LA is interesting - downside is that LA people dress waaaaaaay down. Upside is that they might go for this from a nightlife perspective. I think he might do better in Miami (who knows, he may be looking there, too). To your earlier point, Bob, I don't expect too much nitty gritty given the stuff I've seen so far. The interesting bits are likely to come out of his pitches to funders, who do know business and who are likely to ask the tough questions that he ought to be asking himself. There was a scene in the latest preview that made me think that this might happen - some blond dude with stubble bitching him out about sthng. Basically, the only way that the director will show the 'rolling up your sleeves' stuff will be through confrontation scenes, so there will be a ton of filling in the missing pieces if one hopes to understand the business logic (if there is any) to what OB is doing here.
post #28 of 92
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post #29 of 92
I know a fair amount about Boateng, by dint of being an RJman (there are others of us out there). The O-Z line was originally a diffusion line sold at Debenhams, a Macy's-like British dept store. I'd be surprised it is sold in the States.

In the States, around the time that Tony Blair became the grinning lapdog at 10 Downing (ie, PM), Austin Powers came out and Britpop in the forms of Oasis (shudder), Pulp and others were reigning, a "Cool Britannia" fad hit the US for several years from 1997-1999. A lot of the so-called New Savile Row were picked up for a few seasons in Saks, Neimans and Barneys, including RJ, Timothy Everest, Marc Powell and Boateng. Most of the items featured splashy color and waisted-cut suits. They faded out of such stores onto the outlet racks after a few years. Barneys kept with the RJ, I believe, though.

Boateng has talked of breaking into the US and opening up a shop -- in Manhattan, for one -- for many seasons now, each time announcing it would be happening next season. I believe he has a Moscow establishment, convenient as his wife is Russian and his flamboyant, OTT style -- like Berluti or Versace before him -- is going to appeal to those who want to flaunt their wealth.

Boateng has maintained and grown a Hollywood following, particularly among actors of African-American descent. (I mean nothing racial by this.) There's been some exaggeration in the press -- AFAIK, Pierce Brosnan wears RJ (on his own time) rather than Boateng; Boateng mainly supplied a suit for the Stamper character in the Bond film Tomorrow Never Dies, whence the confusion. Boateng also dressed Lawrence Fishburne for the Matrix sequels premieres, as well as the twins -- I don't know if he made their outfits in the movie though. RJ and Spencer Hart have shop-in-shops wrapped up in Bergdorf, and I can't see OB there. I think he could hope to establish himself as an LA answer to those tailors.

I'm surprised Givenchy hasn't tried to push its menswear, which he designs, the way Dior Homme has been pushed. It has far better name recognition than Boateng, even if the Givenchy stuff was all licensed before.
post #30 of 92
House of Negrila, its competing reality show following the harrowed life of a post-Soviet tailor as he attempts to keep up with the burgeoning orders of adoptive Rumanian David Bresch... with hilarious results!!!!

See him negotiate with Vassili the local Mafioso for protection from "Acts of Mafioso"...

Witness him haggle with suppliers for the finest French catmere...

Watch him mack it on the streets of Transylvania in his styling ZiL (unintentional) drop top...

Listen to him tread the verbal minefield that is a call from... the House of Bresch...
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